Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - cleandan

Pages: 1 ... 23 24 [25]
361
I didn't try to boil race gas, but it solved the problem I was having.  I eventually went to a return style fuel system on the car, and re-routed the fuel lines to keep them away from the engine as much as possible, and that solved the problem.  FYI the fuel was 92 octane with 10% ethanol.  Race gas would certainly boil at a much higher temperature.

New cars don't need to worry too much about the boiling point of the fuel, because with direct port injection used on new vehicles, the fuel is under pressure right up to the point where it is injected into the engine.  45+ pounds of pressure raises the boiling point significantly.  The problem I was having was a heat soak issue; I would stop the car, the fuel lines would get hot as the underhood temperature went up, then when I started the engine again after about 20 seconds the hot fuel would go through the needle and seat, lose pressure from the fuel system, boil, and spit out the carb vents, flooding the engine.  Took me a while to figure it out, it seemed like the engine was fuel starved, not flooded, but finally one day I duplicated the conditions while the car was sitting in the driveway, and watched it happen.  The amount of fuel spitting into the carb was rather remarkable...

This sounds like a great job for a GoPro camera in the engine compartment.
I know the fuel is evaporating due to heat soak, and boiling when the engine is shut off because the fuel pressure drops...This is plain science at work and there is not much I can do about it.

I never thought about the fuel boiling so violently that it would erupt out the vent tubes.
Currently I have the floats adjusted so the fuel is just barely at the bottom of the view port threads when slightly shaking the car to check levels.

I wonder if lowering the level a bit more may help. I will know, due to fuel starvation and the engine losing power, if I get the level too low.

362
Larry, I swear, you live in one of the best places for racers. Summit, build shops, fuel distributors, all within a short drive of you.

The nearest VP distributor I can find is in Sidney, which is 1 hour from me. Not that bad, I suppose, but hauling a 55 gallon drum of race fuel, in the back of a truck, going down I-75, I wonder if I'd run into any problems with the law? So far, looking local has not produced any results.

Make a nice stencil and paint "Used cooking oil" on the side of your race fuel drum.

If you ever get caught, and if they ever decide to dip the tank, and if they choose to take the matter further, just tell them this was a drum you had laying around and you used it for fuel because it was nice a clean inside.

363
Thanks for the reply's so far. I have been mulling over all the ideas given already.
1) Yes, one possible gas smell could be coming from the fuel tank vent itself. The tank vents under the Cobra but pretty much behind the seats. With the way the wind flows over this car it could be pulling in the smell.
If anyone knows how to verify the gas tank vents is working properly on an ERA Cobra I would like to know.
Who knows, maybe there is a check valve in there that failed...I am not certain other than I see a tube that is not leaking that I know is the vent.

2) The camshaft is a Comp Cams 282S...not too radical in a .030" overbore 427. Edelbrock aluminum heads with lash set cold a .016"

3) Vacuum at idle is about 11-12"hg. It is pretty good and steady with the slightest of gauge needle flutter. (I'm using a 4" diameter gauge)

4) I smell the gas most during hard acceleration, after shut off (vaporizing in bowls I suspect) and sitting at idle like a stop sign. There is a wiff here and there when driving and I am aware I may be hyper searching for the gas smell at this time too...But it is stronger than other dual quad 427's I have driven and worked on.

I am using BP 93 octane pump premium. I could fill up with 100LL av-gas and see if there is a difference. I know the new gas formulas are NOT carb friendly for a bunch of reasons, lower vapor pressure being one of them.

5) I am aware of the vents to atmosphere of Holley carbs and understand the normal smell of engines with these carbs are becoming distant memories, rather than daily occurrences. Pretty much any carbed vehicle will smell some when partked after a full temp drive, but this one is quite a lot more.

The carbs have Ford part numbers so I assume they are Ford original Holleys, not reproductions.

Thanks again.
No ideas are bad at this point...well, maybe the riding naked with a porcupine in your lap idea is a bit sketchy...otherwise they trigger ideas that may get me to a good end.

364
FE Technical Forum / Seems like too much gas smell from the carbs.
« on: May 01, 2020, 10:30:38 PM »
Hello all you happy people (using my best Droopy voice)
I am working on a dual quad 427FE in an ERA Cobra roadster.
BJ/BK carbs with one modification being the front carb has no choke plate.

There is no gas leaking anywhere.
I have no pull over at idle in either the primary or secondary.
Throttle blades are dry at idle.
Idle screws are out 1.125 turns.
Floats are currently set with just the slightest fuel tip out with the plug removed and me rocking the car.

Yet I am getting a pretty heavy gas smell in some situations.
I have looked for ANY signs of any fuel leakage, anywhere...None.
I am looking for fuel being pushed past the needle and seat but I find no evidence of that.
But there it is, heavy, raw gas smell.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any and all helpful suggestions.

365
FE Technical Forum / Re: 1-wired alternator and V-belt squeal
« on: April 30, 2020, 02:34:34 PM »
With a V-Belt, the tensioner does not work well like it does with a poly-V belt.
If you use a tensioner with V-Belts you should run the pulley on the V side of the belt.
If you run the tensioner on the back side of a V-Belt it tends to break the back of the belt and they wear out pretty quickly.

Running the tensioner on the back side of the belt will allow you to force the belt to wrap around the pulley more...with a longer belt of course, but it is not the best way to do things with V-Belts.

This is but one of the reasons the makers went away from single V-Belts.
The Poly-V Belts are capable of transfering more torque in a smaller area and being wrapped around the pulley more with less issues.

366
FE Technical Forum / Re: 1-wired alternator and V-belt squeal
« on: April 30, 2020, 10:05:30 AM »
allrightmike, that is exactly what I am talking about. The amount of belt contact around the pulley has a huge impact on the power that belt can put into the pulley.
There are other factors used to determine which belt is best: how much wrap, the diameter of the pulley, the physical size of the belt, and the belts speed, among a few other things.

But, basically, if you get more belt to pulley contace, you increase power transfer.

Yes, I have seen some belt to pulley applications with about 30 degrees of belt wrap, basically the belt is passing by the pulley. But if the pulley being driven does not require much power it will work great.

367
FE Technical Forum / Re: 1-wired alternator and V-belt squeal
« on: April 29, 2020, 04:51:53 PM »
V-Belts run on a few principles.
Look at the side view of a V-belt.
The cord body you see is where the power is transfered.
The rubber V below the cord body is there to keep the belt from being forced inot the pulley groove.
The rubber above the cord body is there to give substance and stability to the cord body.

V-Belts squeal because they are slipping...I know. EVERYBODY knows that.
But did you know the slip can come from worn pulleys, worn belts, dry belts, overheated belts, wrong sized belt for the pulley groove depth and groove angle, improper tension, belt whip, contamination in the air or directly on the belt.

The belt size, and pulley diameter/contact area play a big role in the amount of power a belt can transfer.

With your one wire alternator keep in mind it was probably designed for use with a poly-V Belt rather than a single V-Belt.
The poly-V Belt is capable of transfering much more torque than a single V-Belt and often poly-V pulley is designed smaller in diameter too. This often results in a smallish single V pulley being installed on the alternator in order to keep the same speed as the original intended use...and this often does not correlate to a good fit with the FE installation.

Worn pulleys get a bulge cut into them where the cord body of the V-Belt rides. Once this worn area is deep enough (does not look like much wear) the new V-Belt can not transfer proper torque because the cord body is not in proper contact with the pulley.
The belt will slip, squeal, and wear quickly but then a new issue pops up.
The belt is no longer a linear sided V-belt. Instead it now has a weird bulge shape to match the pulley and this never allows for full power transfer...It also causes other issues.

If the pulley has the correct depth and angle, and is not worn.
If the belt is the correct size (V shape, angle and depth) and riding at the correct depth in the pulley. (the V-Belt should be almost flush with the top of the pulley, or slightly recessed in the pulley, not sticking up any amount above the pulley.)
If the contact area around the pulley is maximized for the application and location and you still get belt slip...Then you need to change to more pulleys in order to transfer the required power.

368
The 1966 C6 was the one and only year C6 with its own unique shift pattern.
The 1966 C6 got nicknamed the "green dot" transmission because the green dot was what we call the "drive" position today.

The 1966 C6 shift pattern: P, R, N, 2nd/3rd only, Green dot/drive, 1st only.
All other C6's from 1967 on shift pattern: P, R, N, D, 2, 1.

If memory serves correctly this was a shift plate/valve body issue. If you swap out the shift plate/valve body to something newer I think the newer parts will work because you got rid of the 1966 only pattern.

If the trans you have has a manual valve body installed you are probably past the unique shift pattern problem already.

369
Thanks for the reply funsummer, but your post seems to assume a lot concerning the use of this particular engine and car. WOT is important in many respects but when the car in question will spend basically no time there it becomes the lesser worry.
This car, eventhough it has a very nice dual quad 427, will spend a LOT of time at idle, or just off idle.
With that in mind, if I can achieve the best idle, and transition, I think all the other aspects will fall into place pretty good.
The ultimate in HP is not important here, nor is the quickest ET or highest MPH...All that is just extra that will never be realized because of how this car will get used.

370
FE Technical Forum / Re: Anyone use these header gaskets? Flat out
« on: April 17, 2020, 01:47:05 PM »
Just another chiming in on using no gaskets between the head and exhaust manifold or header...Heat shield? maybe, but no gaskets.
Get the head mating surface flat and true.
Get the header mating surface flat and true.
Get both surfaces very clean.
Use a thin film of Ultra Copper, or similar high temp sealer.
Bolt things together and for the firts few heat cycles recheck bolt tightness...Done until you choose to take things apart.

Getting the header flange trued up sometimes takes effort and time because you have to weld up and grind off material to get a good finished flange.
In the end, specially considering what it takes to redo the header gaskets, the time and money spent getting the flanges right is well spent in the long run.

371
Unfortunately, at this time anyway, I don't think a "good" set of motor mounts exists in stock form. NOBODY is investing any money, tech, or anything in this old style, rarely used mount.
This means, to me anyway, regardless of the name on the box they are all made as cheaply as possible...and probably by CH-iNA incorporated.

Hopefully they at least fit right out of the box...so many aftermarket parts don't even do that these days.

372
Drew, about how far open are the secondaries when using them to set idle?
Say from just closed, 1/8 turn, 1/4 turn, 1/2 turn...? (too bad that screw is hard to access)
This dual quad setup is in an ERA Cobra, 427, BJ/BK carbs, that sees primarily street cruising and show gathering use. I am setting this up for the owner and he states he will probably never race the car.
I suspect his hot road adventures will consist of fun onramp bursts, and maybe a stoplight run here and there, otherwise it will be simple driving around.

Currently things work and run pretty well but I just want to try and get them spot on for road use if I can.

373
Hello all.
I am wondering if anyone has ever used a Synchrometer (STE-SK or other) to help tune dual quad carbs? In this case BJ and BK carbs.
I am thinking, with an adaptor to cover the whole carb inlet, or just the primary inlets, this might be a good way to get both carbs in synch at idle.
Any thoughts.

Thanks and have a great, but 6 foot seperated, day.

Pages: 1 ... 23 24 [25]