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jayb

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2014, 10:16:18 PM »
Nice job on that!  That is going to be a night and day difference in fuel flow.
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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2014, 10:22:33 PM »
Nice work there.  If I ever decide to replace my tank I'll have to see about doing a sump before installing it.  My pickup tube fortunately was already 3/8 instead of the original 5/16 unit and I just slid the braided hose over it and used a worm clamp just like you mentioned.  Seems to work fine.  I have the teflon hose though, not sure how different it may be compared to rubber AN hose in the same situation. 

And I really appreciate the heads up on that fuel pump, Doc.  I had that Carter pump in hand and sent it back to get the Edelbrock unit instead.  Saved me a bunch of fooling around since the ED is already tapped for 3/8 NPT and has decent sized passages right out of the box.
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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2014, 09:59:25 PM »
Finally got the fuel tank back from pressure testing (two weeks) and powder coating (three weeks).  Ugh...they always know when you're in a hurry!

Out with the old:


In with the new.  The sump doesn't hang down at all, and this is intentional since the car sits so low now.  Also, found zip ties to be handy in holding the mounting strap rubber in place while fussing everything around.  The local auto parts store by some divine miracle had both the 2-1/4" filler hose and 5/8" barf hose available in a few hours.  I need to buy a lotto ticket or something...


Now on to mounting the PTFE braided fuel line.  From what I've been reading on the tech inspection forms for Bonneville, they want to see metal straps securing the lines, so I'll be using some insulated steel straps.  Downhill stretch now with only six weeks until racing!

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2014, 10:51:58 AM »
I need some opinions/advice.  I'm about to start plumbing everything from the fuel tank up to the fuel pump.  I have a 100 micron filter that needs to go somewhere before the pump.  Should this go at the tank, at the pump, somewhere between?  I'm debating adding a fuel shut off valve between the filter and tank so that I can clean the filter without having to dump 20 gallons of fuel to do the job...that could suck. 

Second issue is routing of the fuel line itself.  I have a bag of rubber insulated steel clamps that will hold the braided hose.  Looking at various rules it seems like if I pass this on the inboard side of the frame rail, I'm going to need 1/8" wall tubing (I'd personally do 1/4" wall...) of at least 16" length at the flywheel plane regardless of scattershield or not.  I could run it outboard of the frame just like the factory did.  This way looks easier and saves having to weld in a tube at the cost of a bit of safety in the event of a side impact with another car.  Any other obvious benefit I'm not seeing to either way?

Thoughts/opinions/rants?

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2014, 11:01:28 AM »
I use Aeromotive pumps and filters.  They recommend a fairly coarse inlet filter,  like your 100 micron filter, and a fine outlet filter.  I stack the filters and the pumps altogether in one big string.  The Aeromotive inlet filters are available with a shutoff valve built in, which is a big help when servicing that stuff, as you mentioned.

I'd also recommend running the fuel line outside the frame rail.  It would take quite a crash to get all the way to the fuel line and cut it.  And of course a flywheel explosion with the fuel line inside the frame rail would be disastrous...

--Edited to get the filter position right.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2014, 12:46:06 PM by jayb »
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2014, 11:49:08 AM »
I don't know the rules for Bonneville and haven't been under a '62 Galaxie in a while, is it allowed to run the fuel line INSIDE the frame? I'm assuming it's a box design frame, not a channel. That's a pretty common practice with drag cars. Takes care of protecting the line and makes a clean installation. Have it enter and exit at a convienent place.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2014, 11:54:02 AM by thatdarncat »
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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2014, 12:33:58 PM »
Thanks for the responses guys.  I'm planning to run a 100 micron unit prior to the pump and a 40 micron after prior to the carb.  RobbMc suggested this setup.  I just got to thinking about having to service that tank filter and though what a complete pain in the arse that could be without some way to shut the fuel off since the tank is now sumped and will dump fuel everywhere. 

I could look and see if there is an easy way to get the fuel line inside the frame, there well may be...however, it might be a challenge to get the 52 years of mud and rocks vacuumed out enough to make room.  :o  I'm not convinced 1/8" tubing would be very effective for shielding a flywheel explosion as they require...last flywheel I saw blow up it nearly cut the firewall completely off the car and the driver miraculously only got one chunk in his right ankle.

The SCTA rules for Bonneville are somewhat similar to NHRA.  My 130mph class has these rules spelled out:

  • On non OEM fuel delivery systems dual throttle return springs are required, on each throttle shaft.
  • All non OEM fuel lines must be constructed of rubber, braided, or steel hard line. No aluminum/copper hard line or clear plastic hose will be allowed.
  • Fuel lines are not allowed in the drivers compartment.
  • On unibody cars such as Corvair, VW, Porsche, Etc. the fuel lines must be higher than the lowest part of the pan or the unibody structure. They must also be installed inside of a heavy metal tube or above a skid plate. The metal tube or skid plate must be positively attached (no sheet metal screws will be allowed). This is to protect the fuel system from damage if a wheel/tire failure should occur.[/i]
So I think I'm ok running the fuel line inside the frame rail.  I'll see how easy it would be to do that with a fish tape, if not the backup could be to run it along side the old fuel line using it as a hanger with zip ties in addition to fastening it to the frame with the rubber insulated clamps every foot or two.

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2014, 10:47:01 AM »
Is there any reason a $9 full port brass ball valve from the hardware store wouldn't work for a shutoff as compared to a nice $100 aluminum unit?

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2014, 10:57:44 AM »
I don't know if the rubber seal in the ball valve will stand up to gasoline or ethanol.  If it would, then there is no reason why that wouldn't work.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2014, 11:43:24 AM »
The one I found at Lowes this morning is PTFE, not rubber.  I'll give it a whirl and see how it goes. 

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2014, 12:44:55 PM »
I've got a "scrutineering" question regarding the securing of the fuel line.  I ran a fish tape down the frame and it has plates inside that block off every few feet, so running the line inside wasn't an option.  I'm now following the OEM line down the outside of the frame and using insulated steel clamps (adel clamps?) every two feet.  Between those two feet there is a solid connection of the OEM line to the frame.  At that spot I'm using a piece of 1/2" I.D. rubber hose around the new braided line and then using a steel worm drive hose clamp to the OEM line.  I think this should be ok?  Any spots that are not support locations, but rub spots with the OEM line and/or brake line I have also insulated the line with a chunk of old hose, but using a zip tie.  This should be ok, no?

Onto the question:  Going over the rear axle and down to the rear of the tank, I have about a 2' section that I physically cannot get into to drill a hole for the usual clamp.  I'm going to have to run a steel worm-drive clamp around the frame or something with the braided line inside a chunk of hose again.  Will this be OK?  I need to have it not move, but not get crushed either.

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2014, 10:50:13 AM »
Sounds like an excellent opportunity to indulge in a fancy new right-angle drive for your drill! ;) :D ;D

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Re: Space Wagon Fuel System Upgrade
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2014, 01:02:07 PM »
Channeling my inner hot rod hobbist contortionist I was able to get some holes drilled near the tank, so I think we're golden.  I should pick up an right hand drill adapter though, just because I like buying tools.   ;D