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Member Projects / Re: SOHC Street Build Questions
« on: August 31, 2022, 01:29:15 PM »
Leny and ToddK - thanks for the info and thoughts! Leny - good comments on the dry sump. Space to the side of the engine (and for the oil reservoir) has been a concern when I looked at dry sump systems. I'll be running AC as well (and power rack & pinion). Ultimately, I'll probably mock up the engine in the bay and see what fits best. I won't have shock towers as I'll be installing a coilover suspension, so that helps with room, but I know the cammer is a big beast. I'm a big fan of not making things overly complicated or crowded, so if an oil pan works, it works.
ToddK - Regarding power output - 800 is kind of just a number in my head. From everything I've read, I believe an all aluminum big cube cammer running on 93 octane can make north of 700 with decent idle and road characteristics. At the end of the day, I want day-to-day reliability, some level of every day driveability (note that the Mustang currently is a 3800 lb 5-speed 302-2V with manual drum brakes and no A/C in Florida, so I'm kind of used to living with few modern amenities). It needs to start up (pretty much) every time, drive in traffic without embarrassing me, and run hard when the time and place presents itself. Yeah, 500HP is probably more than enough and 600HP is perhaps silly, but 700+ will put a grin on my face for years to come (and 800 would be amazing) and I just want to see what is possible, then try to build it.  :) I do plan to do some autocrossing/road-course and dragstrip work (for fun).

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Member Projects / Re: SOHC Street Build Questions
« on: August 28, 2022, 10:55:59 AM »
Thanks all for the great info, suggestions and thoughts. I do know this is a big and expensive project (and I even got my wife's buy-in on the cost). I'm expecting somewhere north of $50k for the engine. People I know point out that I could build a Coyote-type engine making more power, with less maintenance, for way less money, but that's not really the point in my mind. The cammer is such a cool engine and very few people I know even have heard of it, or if they have, they think it's extinct. I've always liked the idea of updating "old" things and seeing what I can do with them. This car will likely be my one and only "build" as I'm getting up there in years and I'm not made of money (part of why I tend to try to do things myself), so I want it to be big and loud and unexpected (if that makes any sense).

So, getting back to the discussion.... I prefer an aluminum block for the weight savings, since this will be a car that (hopefully) goes fast around corners. Big Mustangs are pretty front heavy already.

I was thinking a dry-sump would help with both a lower center of gravity for the engine and thought it might help with oiling, but if the consensus is it's more hassle without providing any real benefit, I'm not married to it. I did note in the discussion about CobraCammer's SOHC build, when Jay was running it on a dyno, it seemed it needed 8+ quarts (I don't remember the actual amount, but I remember it was a lot) when revving. I'm not positive that, in my chassis, an oil pan - even with kickouts - would be able to supply that, but I think that can be worked  during mockup, so not too concerned. If I were to go dry-sump I'd need a place to put the oil reservoir, so that's a negative point.

Regarding rotating assembly - definitely want to get the toughest I can (within reason), so likely yes on a billet crank and top-notch rods.

Bill - thanks for the info and especially the pic! That's exactly what I'm looking for, so will note the info on my parts spreadsheet.

Jay - if/when you get ready to make another set of rockers, I'll definitely be interested. For a "street" build such as this, are there benefits to using the adjustable (i.e. should I wait on rockers in the hope you'll find a new source for the adjusters)? And please write that book :-) I'll send you an email shortly about that and the cams (thank you!). Pond has been at the top of my list for vendors so I'll be contacting them when I'm ready to order. I totally understand that parts can take a couple of years to get in (CobraCammer mentioned that in his first post, I think), and that's fine - I'm expecting the entire build (car, drivetrain, engine) to take 3 years or so. I like to get all my ducks in a row before I start buying parts.

I'm going to spend some time reading the various threads about stroker combos you all have used and see if I can get a consensus on bore/stroke combos and what specific parts to use. I don't mind over-building the bottom end on a motor so I never have to worry about pushing the limits.

Again, thanks for the info/comments/suggestions and keep them coming if you think of something. Hoping this is just the start of a really fun build!

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Member Projects / SOHC Street Build Questions
« on: August 27, 2022, 12:18:28 PM »
Howdy all! I've been lurking here for a few years, ever since I decided that putting a SOHC in a '72 Mustang and then driving it every day would be a good idea...
So, I'm finally ready to get serious about spec'ing/buying parts and trying to build one (great timing with parts/labor/shop shortages, I know). I'm hoping to get a discussion started on "the art of the possible" - what would it take to build a relatively high-horsepower (around 800?) SOHC engine that could/would live in a true street environment.

Some of my thoughts/needs:
1. Daily driver - 30 minute commute to work over "suburb" streets. Not inner-city stop-and-go, but a few stop lights mixed in with 30mph to 55mph runs. I would probably drive this car 3-5 times a week like this.
2. Able to idle in central Florida 90-100* heat in the summers for 10-15 minutes at a time, and able to run at highway speeds (80mph) at around 2000-2500 RPM until the gas tank goes dry.
3. It probably seems crazy/stupid to build a cammer to do generic street duty like this, but it would be way more fun (at least in my dreams) than something like a Cleveland or 429/460 build).

Car will be a '72 Mustang convertible, Pro Touring build: 5 or 6 speed manual, lowered over either a full frame (like a Schwartz chassis) or with custom-built frame/subframe.
Suspension will be 4-link 9" in back, 4-wheel manual discs, rack-and-pinion, 17" or 18" wheels, mini-tubbed in rear.
I'm talking about true daily-driver status, plus the ability to maybe do some amateur autocrossing or hit the drag-strip occasionally.

So, my current thoughts on a build are:
1. Fuel injected - either individual stacks or a dual-quad style setup. Would prefer a "learning" EFI system due to the wide variety of weather conditions over the year. Not interested in any kind of forced induction/power adders.
2. Thinking a dry-sump maybe? What are the pros/cons of running one on the street in terms of reliability of the sump system itself and the engine
3. Thinking big-cube bore/stroke to make it easier to get (at least close to) the HP I'd like to see.
4. From the reading I've done here, it seems like upper end oiling is a big issue with street-driven cammers. Is there a way to better oil the top end? It sounds like Jay's rocker system (if available?) is the best out there.
5. Kind of a stretch, but also thinking a coil-on-plug setup might be cool - thoughts?
6. Block - I've read good things about both the Pond and Shelby blocks. Assuming both were available, what would be the better choice? I saw a post saying that the Shelby block can be over-bored more and has head studs that go deeper; would that matter in this type of build?
7. What about cams - what would be a good grind that gives relatively decent idle (don't need much vacuum as my brakes will be manual) on the street but could hit the 800HP range?

I'm not opposed to farming out the build, but like doing things myself, so would prefer to do as much as possible (barring machine-work) and learn as I go :-) Though I am hoping to avoid some of the heart-ache CobraCammer went through on his Saleen build (if you're reading this - I seriously admire what you built and how you persevered!)

Thank you in advance for any comments/suggestions/warnings.

Mark

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