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FE Technical Forum / Re: Question on shelf life of race fuel
« on: March 05, 2024, 03:53:41 PM »
Can`t speak for Sunoco (yet), but I have run 3 year old VP C12 with no issues, performance wise, however, when I was racing my NHRA Stock Eliminator Mustang, we had to go thru NHRA Fuel Testing several times per event, and I had some C12 from my 55 gallon barrel, that wasn`t even a year old yet, that barely passed, and the fuel tech suggested that I buy some fresh C12 from the VP trailer at the National event that I was at, which passed fine, even though the ET slip showed no improvement. That said, a few weeks earlier, at a NHRA Divisional race,that same batch of fuel passed easily. Funny thing is, a buddy was racing his 65 Impala Stocker at that same race, and he doesn`t run his car very much, and his C12 passed OK, even after sitting in the cars factory  (vented) gas tank for 3 years, go figure. I don`t have the Stocker anymore, so I don`t need to worry about fuel check anymore, and I now have a barrel of Sunoco Supreme that I am running in my Fairmont, that was new last year, but I also have a couple of 5 gallon cans of Sunoco Standard which I bought in 2022, that I hope to run this year. I have never tried race gas that was 5 years old, but my buddy has used some 3-4 year VP C12 on the Dyno, and it seemed OK. I have never had race gas "go bad", so I have no idea if it gets a bad smell like stale pump gas does or not. If it smells normal, and looks clear, I would likely give it a try. But I would certainly want to use it up soon. Or maybe you could mix the old gas with some new gas of the same grade.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Dumb Question number 455
« on: March 03, 2024, 10:34:05 AM »
I ran ATI FE dampers on my 427 and 428 FEs for about 35 years, and yes they are about 7-8 degrees off, but all I did was to find true TDC, and ground away the factory steel timing pointer, until I had a new "point" at the correct position. No cost, and took a couple of minutes with the bench grinder.

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As mentioned by Howie, the Edelbrock and TFS heads have blind upper exhaust bolt holes, with a non OE looking "bulb" on the backside. Considering that I have never had any factory FE head  ever break off an exhaust bolt that is blind, but that is very common with the open upper holes, I really see no downside to having all the exhaust bolt holes blind, other than "it doesn`t look factory".  That said, the vast majority of FE engines in use these days are more recreational, and not likely to rack up many thousands of miles of daily driving, in all weather conditions, so I really doubt having the open holes will really be an issue for most FE owners.
Since the TFS, Blue Thunder, and Edelbrock heads, are in long term back order, (not sure about the situation with Barrys Survival heads, but considering he has them cast at Edelbrock, likely similar), anybody looking to obtain some aluminum FE heads might be wise to get these while they are available.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Race & Reunion - update
« on: February 25, 2024, 10:04:37 AM »
It Appears That Things Have Worked Themselves Out, And The Event, Along With The VIP Are Back To Where They Were A Week Ago. Good To Purge Things That Have Evidently Been Building Up For A While. This Event, Like The Highlander Are Of The Fact That "There Can Be Only One"  Please Support This Event, Suport The Owner Of The Facility, As Well As Those Who Work Hard Behind The Scenes To Make It All Happen Every Year. They ALL Have The Same Passion For The Event, And Want It To Be The Best It Can Be. Also, It Started In Beaver Springs, It STAYS In Beaver Springs. People Travel From All Over The Planet To Attend It Each Year, And Is Part Of What Makes It Cool And Unique. ANY Attempt or Suggestion To Move Or Relocate It should Be Grounds To Revoke Your FE Card, lol! But, Also, Seriously. Its Not Broke, It Doesn't Need Fixed, But Like Everything Racing And Performance Related, It Can Always Be Improved And Upgraded. Thanks Again To All That Make It Happen, As Well As Those Who Support It!

Could not agree more, Beaver Springs is where the FE Reunion started, and where it belongs "forever". Woodstock was Woodstock, Indy is Indy, Daytona is Daytona is Daytona, and I feel Beaver Springs is where the FERR needs to be. It absolutely is a long haul for many of us, which to me at least, makes it more of destination, than "just another race". It`s funny how things go, some places are just destined to be home for certain events, to me, Beaver Springs IS the FERR. Funny, I live in Nova Scotia Canada, and we have a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever dog, and 3 years ago, a local Toller fan, started "Tollermania" on his rural property, and invited the world. We had participants from Germany, Sweden, Australia, Great Britain, and from many far away US States as California, Arizona, Washington, Texas, Florida, and the West Coast of Canada, all for the affection of a little red dog. It is the people , both attending such events, and especially those behind the scenes, that make these type of events so memorable, and keep us coming back for more.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Trickflow heads - gone for good?
« on: February 25, 2024, 09:48:35 AM »
Remember when an aluminum head 390 was pretty much science fiction.  ;D

Hell, I remember when the Edelbrock Streetmaster for a FE came out in the mid 70s, that was about the only new product for FEs in a number of years. The old FE was pretty much relegated to the history books by that time. I have to think that the growing interest in Cobra replicas was a major factor in the manufacturers taking another look at the FE, otherwise, we may have been just considered a vintage sideshow, like the Flatheads, Y blocks, 409 Chevys, Buicks, Oldsmobiles, and Pontiacs. I have to think that Edelbrock introducing so many heads and intakes for many of these less popular "niche" markets got the ball rolling for the FE, and other less common engine choices.

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I am still mainly a solid, flat tappet guy, but my 347 SB Ford has Morel "Hi Rev" hydraulic roller lifters, and I drop the clutch at 6600, shift it as 7000 RPM, and hit 7200 at the finish line. So the right hydraulic lifters, and the correct valve train and oil will let them hit the higher RPM range. My Morel lifters came with instructions specifying what oil grades to be using, so I have been running 5-30 in my 347.They were quite addemant about not using thicker oils with these lifters.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Race & Reunion - rolling on - Update
« on: February 25, 2024, 09:33:02 AM »
Certainly glad that all involved in this fantastic event, were able to step back, and get some issues worked out, and keep this fantastic event on track. Looking forward to finally bringing a car to race this year, well other than the credit card bill for fuel, that will be waiting for me when I get back home! I urge anybody that has been sitting on the fence, about attending this event for years, to board a plane, jump in the truck, or get hitch hiking, and head to PA. None of us are getting any younger, and time, plus the constant attack on motor vehicles, and the people who love them, is a real concern. As we get older, memories become more important to us, and I have so many great memories from the previous FE Reunions that I have attended. Can`t wait for the 2024 FERR in September ! And for those, like me, travelling considerable distances, there are other things not too far away, to take in, if you have the time. When I went to the 2022 FERR, I stayed around for another week, and went to the NHRA National Event at Maple Grove, this year, I am planning to leave a week earlier, and finally get to experience "INDY" , at the NHRA US Nationals. Indy is the week before FERR, Maple Grove the following week. When TomP & I went to the 2018 event, we went to 4 other dragstrips in the area, went to a few famous car museums, toured the G Force transmission plant, drove to Joisey and New Yoik, saw some Amish horse drawn buggies, went to the Hershey tour, and generally just had a good time, seeing an area that I have never seen before.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Trickflow heads - gone for good?
« on: February 25, 2024, 09:13:07 AM »
Maybe it just seems that way to me, as the FE is my main engine of choice, but there have been numerous companies that offered some great products for FEs, only to have them disappear, or discontinue them. Obvious examples are Genesis, SideOiler Garage, for FE blocks, it certainly looked like BBM was going to finally be a reliable source for new FE blocks,heads, and intakes, based on their great looking photos of a huge, modern facility, but like others, seems almost all their FE parts have been on back order for far too long. I bought a set of the new Erson FE roller rockers when they first came out over 20 years ago, but they too disappeared some time ago. Dove is gone, Edelbrock, which used to be about the most reliable source of parts for a wide variety of engines, has been very spotty the past few years, Lakewood stopped making FE bellhousings almost as soon as they bought out QuickTime, and raised the prices on QT drastically, it appears that Blue Thunder has almost disappeared from the market, and much of the stuff from various suppliers (for all makes), has gone from high quality, reliable, American made products, to garbage farmed out offshore, to the highest bidder. I am sure the Covid deal was a large part of al this, but many long time businesses getting gobbled up by "investment groups" certainly isn`t helping, especially when it comes to engines like FEs, which are more of a small niche market, compared to big and small block Chevys, LS`s, SB Fords & 460s, etc. I hope things improve soon, but I certainly am not holding my breath.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: toploader shifting
« on: February 22, 2024, 09:39:06 PM »
I used to run Dex III ATF in my top loader. 390 Mustang street use.
Makes it shift "easier" and smoother.
Not great for bearing life tho... not as much film strength as gear oil.
If you don't abuse it too hard the ATF can work for mild street use.

Maybe try it just temporarily to see if it helps?

FWIW the OEM's went to ATF for many of their passenger car and some light trucks manual transmissions.
The mid to late 80's and 90's F150 5.0L with the Mazda 5 speed calls for ATF.
If you put 80-90 gear oil in it, it won't shift worth crap and the trans eventually will fail.


Honda manual trans used to use 30W engine oil 70's to 90's.
I don't know what they use now.

Don`t base what transmission fluid should used in a vintage Toploader, based on what modern transmission use. Toploaders use bronze syncro rings, and are designed to be used with GL4 gear oil, I use 75/90 Brad Penn GL4 fluid in my Toploader, it shifts great, in normal cruising as well as WOT powershifting. Many modern transmissions use some type of ATF, but they do NOT use bronze syncros, rather they are  carbon fiber, or have paper lining, like an automatic. Not to mention that a heavier lube would be better for absorbing shock loads.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: rod bolt lube
« on: February 17, 2024, 01:04:50 PM »
Brent, are the L19 bolts the ones than can be damaged from the oils of your hands? Seems kinda scary considering the bolts have engine oil spraying all over them.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: CRACKED EXHAUST MANIFOLD
« on: February 02, 2024, 10:04:18 PM »
I also had exhaust manifolds crack on my 74 F350, I had 2 rights and 1 left crack in a 2 year period, when hauling heavy loads. Installed a set of headers, and never had another issue. I really fail to see how motor mount issues could possibly contribute to the cracking of the exhaust manifolds. Even if the mounts were both completely broken, and allowed the engine to flop all over the place, I could see that potentially causing stress on the front exhaust pipes, but not to the manifolds themselves. Also wonder how long welding up cracks on the old exhaust manifolds would hold up.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE in a '78 F150 4x2
« on: January 30, 2024, 10:17:08 PM »
Never did that swap, but I have to think that everything should bolt in, providing you can source all the factory parts from a 73-76 F100-F350 FE truck with a manual transmission. I would think these trucks should still be somewhat easy to find in wrecking yards, or individuals parting them out. I would think the frame pivot for the Z bar should be the same regardless of engine, based on several different old Fords that have converted from automatic to manual in the past.  I would think the Z bar may be different from the 6 to the FE, but you never know until you compare. When I swapped my 59 2 door sedan from a 332 FE and automatic, to the 428 CJ and 4 speed, I discovered that the Z bar carried a different part number for the FE than the 223 6 in my donor parts car that I grabbed  the clutch pedal assembly and frame bracket from. But, when I sourced a correct FE clutch Z bar, and compared them, they were identical in every way, except the pin for the clutch fork rod on the lower lever, had the pin pointed in the opposite direction, which would have been easy to turn around.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Water in lifter valley
« on: January 28, 2024, 09:23:10 PM »
Before I bought my TFS heads 2 years ago, I had been patiently waiting for BBM to have their aluminum heads back in stock. But. like their FE blocks, it seems that other than intake manifolds, they have had nothing available for FEs for sale in at least 2 or 3 years. So I don`t know how much of a hardship not being able to sell non existent FE parts really is. Unfortunately, it seems that many FE parts "suppliers" have good intentions, and may make a batch or two, of parts with sporatic delivery, and then it just goes away. With all those photos showing racks of new  FE heads and blocks, in a modern, hospital clean, manufacturing facility, I had really hoped that BBM would be a different story, but it appears not to be the case.

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That`s great, Kevin, Thanks.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Kiwi Classics FE Mustang
« on: January 27, 2024, 08:15:39 PM »
That Mair setup is rather interesting, and looks quite well made, but as you mentioned,pretty pricey. Another option, if you absolutely can`t live with the size of the factory shock towers, is the AJE kit, that essentially puts a FOX Mustang type strut style front suspension system, including a rack and pinion steering, in place of the stock, shock tower design. I believe that is what Tony Fritz has in his FE powered Maverick, that I seen at the FERR a few years ago. His Maverick still has some of the factory shock towers, but the struts allowed for a fair bit to be removed, and the FE had plenty of room,and the Maverick has much less space in stock form, than a 66-69 Fairlane or 67-70 Mustang does.

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