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« on: December 20, 2014, 11:48:52 PM »
I have been helping Tom Drummond  freshen up the 368 Lincoln from his 57 Ranchero..  This is definitely old school with the factory 2x4 intake, VS 57 McCulloch blower, and 57 Continental valve covers. We should be on the R&R dyno some time next week.. Factory rating with the 2x4 was 335 horse . We are hoping to be in the 450 range with the blower.



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1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2014, 11:53:15 PM »
that is cool  8)

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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2014, 09:24:30 AM »
Royce,
Is it still 368?  Looking forward to seeing those dyno #s and would also like to see that Ranchero!

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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2014, 09:36:53 AM »
Awesome!   ;D
I like the old stuff.
The exhaust sure looks tiny.
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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2014, 10:09:26 AM »
The engine is a stock stroke .060 over.

Small pipes are for run in purposes, so I don't subject the neighbors to open exhaust  LOL.. Tom has a custom set of headers for the Ranchero
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2014, 10:47:56 AM »
Really cool, Royce.  Is that Paxton one of the ones with the variable pulley ratio?
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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2014, 11:01:49 AM »
The blower is a McCulloch VS 57. Yes it is variable speed.. I never had one apart before.. They use vacuum to widen the pulley groove and a spring to close it up.. The vacuum is activated by a switch that closes when a certain throttle opening is reached.. For Dyno purposes it is locked in high boost with a spacer.
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2014, 11:28:09 AM »
Wow, variable speed blower.
Never knew, how cool.
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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2014, 12:46:02 PM »
Absolutely awesome Royce!!   ;D  I love seeing the old stuff making way more power than the original designers ever envisaged.

On a similar note, I was in Ford Engineering when the Modular engines were developed.  The design spec for the short block was 100 HP / liter maximum.  That worked out to 460 HP before rods would start coming out the block.  Material was whittled away from everything, using the best analysis tools, to meet that spec.  Since 460 HP was twice what the 4.6L engine was then putting out, everybody thought that was safe.

Who knew that years later, people would be pulling more than 3X that original power limit out of the design (with supercharging, of course!).  If you had said that to me at the time, I would have walked you down to the teardown room with rows of cracked and windowed blocks from taxicab engines, and laughed my ass off!  The main and rod bearings are so narrow on those things...
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2014, 03:17:39 PM »
  Material was whittled away from everything, using the best analysis tools, to meet that spec.  Since 460 HP was twice what the 4.6L engine was then putting out, everybody thought that was safe.

Who knew that years later, people would be pulling more than 3X that original power limit out of the design (with supercharging, of course!).  If you had said that to me at the time, I would have walked you down to the teardown room with rows of cracked and windowed blocks from taxicab engines, and laughed my ass off!  The main and rod bearings are so narrow on those things...
Those statements, combined with your sig at the bottom, has got to put a giggle or two in there also.  Can you imagine what the Ford engineers that came up with the 352, then 5 or 6 years later saw the SOHC being borne of their baby, would think of what is being done with the engine now?

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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2014, 07:35:25 PM »
Nice. I'll have to get pictures of a friends 312 that had twin superchargers put on it in a 57 T-Bird in the early 60s. It stayed in the car until a Cammer replaced it in 72, and the engine lived in the corner of the garage ever since.

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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2014, 11:31:33 PM »
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2014, 02:29:18 AM »
That really sounds good, Royce! And it looks even cooler. He should be able to haul plenty of gas now, in the back of that Ranchero 8)
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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2015, 12:35:13 PM »
Dyno results are in:   Best part is this thing should run on pump gas, even boosted.



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1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: Old School Cool
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2015, 01:56:16 PM »
Nice
I'm surprised at those torque numbers. Wow.
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