Survival heads vs Edelbrock heads modified..

[bluef100fe]

Sorry Blair,

Not my best choice of words... I should have said "one of the best in the business" lol... Can you elaborate a little on my ignition timing question or would it be better to call you? I'd like the chamber in the mid sixtys to keep the compression close to what I currently have for as much of a apples to apples comparison on the dyno... I think this information would be good for everybody who is thinking of stepping up their head program on the little motors as I believe my combo is as about as far as I'd want to push it as a street strip setup with only 390ish cubes, pump gas, and a solid flat tappet cam..  Are the pro ports setup up for stock style rockers or are the rocker bosses milled for the t&d setup? Thanks for your time...

[Joe-JDC]

Since I answered this origional post, I will update my findings on the Survival heads.  I just hand ported my personal set of heads from Barry, and there is nothing trick about the work, just cleaned up intake and bowl very good, and ported the exhaust quite a bit.  2.200/1.710 11/32 valves with standard 30/45/60 seats.  The heads flowed 345.83 on intake at .750" and 250.75 on exhaust without a pipe, and 272.13 with a short 2" pipe.  These look like they will be a very excellent set of heads for my 468" build.

.100      75.78      53.62
.200     143.92     108.7
.300     207.78     161.98
.400     270.08     202.48
.450     291.91     217.06
.500     309.73     226.78
.550     316.42     233.26
.600     325.33     239.74
.650     334.24     244.60
.700     343.16     248.81
.750     345.83     250.75
.800     350.29     250.75/272.13

I hope this makes everyone feel like they can get a set of the Survival heads and with a little work turn them into one of the best out there for a street/strip build.  With bigger valves, there is more, but this suits my build quite well for now.  I think Barry has a winner in this head.  Joe-JDC.

[LuxurySportCoupe]

Good stuff Joe! Just the kind of info I wanted on these heads.

[Jrpumper]

Good luck getting the survival heads every time I call they are on back order

[ScotiaFE]

Good luck getting the survival heads every time I call they are on back order

You should see the ad BBM is running on FordFE. A hundred off and free shipping.
We will see if I get free shipping though. 

[Barry_R]

Good luck getting the survival heads every time I call they are on back order

I am doing them as quickly as my checkbook and my schedule allows.  I've cast and sold around 60 pair in the past year.  I have four pair left here that I owe folks from the prior run - one set being polished, two sets that should be shipping out tomorrow, and one CNC ported set going on a build here.  And I have one orphan head - - long and painful story....that'll require beer...maybe beers. 

I have more coming up on order with the casting house, but it takes them about 6-8 weeks to run a batch.  They are cast under contract in California, at a very well recognized and highly qualified foundry that has a ton of performance cylinder head casting experience and a reputation for quality work.  A place nobody has ever heard of - Edelbrock.  It ain't no secret.  Their foundry logo is on the head.

You've seen the flow numbers Joe posted above - so the potential is there.  I have run them and posted results on several dyno engines we've done here - ranging from a pretty straightforward 500HP 445 to a rather over the top 600+HP 527.  Just finished up dyno testing a customer assembled 482 with the heads that made 607HP with a flat tappet cam.  I ran a CNC ported version in last year's Engine Masters Challenge and made 711HP with lots of witnesses. 

At this point I think the heads are pretty well a proven item and its just up to me to get them into full scale distribution.  If I were wealthy I'd cast a couple hundred pair and have them on the shelf.  If I were deceptive I could just photoshop a couple hundred pair on a pallet and tell you I had them.  Instead I tell you they are on backorder, tell you how long I think it'll be, and gently discourage deposits - although I have taken a few when folks wanted to "hold their place in line".

[bn69stang]

Hey Barry i have talked to you several times , ordered a few parts from you to the tune of about $ 1500.00 and asked to order your heads 3 or 4 times , and every time you told me not available , or not ready for a production run .. I honestly made 1 call to Rob at Blue oval and ordered a set of B B M heads , and i am having prep d per my motor . I appreciate all you have done for me , your time on the phone with me .. But i wanted to purchase heads and did , sorry if that offended you in any way that was never my intention .. $ 2300.00 may be a gamble to some , but i did nt see it that way and i am excited to have them . I don t see them as foreign , i see them as heads and if i worried about where everything was made i would go nuts , hell my 1970 cougar had a front fender that was stamped  " heco in mexico " and that was the late 70 s ... Barry you will sell your heads and so will B B M , Blue thunder , Robert pond , and Edelbrock they all have a place im thinking . Again Barry thank you for all you have done for me , much appreciated .... Bud