FE Intake Adapter

[fe66comet]

That would look sweet on a 500 cube cammer.

[hercamer]

Real cool, cannot wait for the production pieces to be available.

Was wondering if a design incorporating a manifold supply that will probably diminish due to popularity fading(the 351C), vs. maybe making the adapter mate to a more likely long term candidate (say gulp , the LS from the bowtie boys) would be a better choice. Just a thought, either way I will own a couple.

Thanks Jay for all your efforts on this.

Hercamer

[jayb]

LS?!     Actually, the plan is to do my own manifold tops eventually, that are specific to the FE and to this adapter, to make the whole package more FE specific anyway...

[lovehamr]

maybe making the adapter mate to a more likely long term candidate (say gulp , the LS from the bowtie boys) would be a better choice.

Heretic!, heretic! 

Somebody get a torch!   

[machoneman]

Eh me buckos, swing him from the highest yardarm....LOL!

Actually, the 351C engine design has seen a major resurgence in recent years for a host of reasons:

-the design in recent years has won numerous PHR Engine Masters competitions, so much so that E-M modified the rules (more than once and over the course of 3-4 years) to give other engines (read: SBC/BBC) a chance.
-two new engine blocks of the true 351C design (not Windsor based) are already being sold, all be it in limited quantities. By mid-2013 (my guess) both suppliers will be at full tilt and then can service any orders.
-the exciting CHI and AFD heads, let alone the Blue Thunder heads have breathed new life (all E-M winners used one of these heads) in the C design. More are on the way.
-Intake wise, a host of new 351C specific designs have already been released and more are on the way (Scott Cook's, CHI's house brand and the one below).

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-302-351-3V-CLEVELAND-TWIN-DUAL-4-BARREL-CARBURETOR-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-/310545513400?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item484df47bb8&clk_rvr_id=438517111710&clk_rvr_id=448433259852

Jay, note the pics near the end and the four special mounting bosses for a supercharger mounting plate. Pretty cool and food for thought I'll venture!   
 
Btw, if anyone, me included, thought only 20 years ago we'd see such a resurgence today in new Ford engine parts for the old Boss, 351C, FE & 385 series engines......I would never have believed them. 

[fe66comet]

I have been told by many that the Cleveland engines had many issues but I have heard the same about FEs and for me the proof is in the pudding. Although I have never owned a Cleveland either?

[hercamer]

As has been said before...

Let me be clear.

I love the 351 Cleveland and have one in a 70 maverick bracket car. I would never run an LS engine in anything I own.

 I am all Fords and will always be.

But as far as intake options go..no comparison,

LS...(Edelbrock, PerformerRPM, Victor Jr. , Victor, Pro-flo EFI), (Holley, single 4, dual four and hi ram fuel injection),(Mast, EFI in many configurations including tunnelram),(FAST LSXR ram type manifolds)..plus many other mfg... blower intakes, etc. etc...

Generally because of the stinking bowtie less money..and like the cleveland no water in he manifold.

Not trying to change anyones mind here just looking at options, and asking questions that potentially could save money and development time for Jay.

As said before, Love the idea and appreciate the hel out of Jay doing it, can't wait for the result no matter what intake it uses, 351C or Jay's own designs, I will own a couple and put them to use.

Thanks, Kent

[jayb]

I think we were just giving you a hard time    I wonder how an LS intake would fit?  Anybody know the bore spacing on an LS engine?

Edit:  Just did a search and found the bore spacing for an LS engine is 4.400".  A 351C bore spacing is 4.38".  Looks like it actually might work.  Am I a traitor if I buy an LS intake and test fit it?

Edit 2:  Looked at some of the LS manifolds on the Summit site, and it appears that they won't work because of the bank to bank spacing.  The left bank on those engines is farther forward than the right bank, while on an FE, 351C, and other Ford engines the right bank is farther forward than the left.  That's actually too bad, some of those LS intakes look real good...

[XR7]

LS intakes won't work, for one thing... the number 1 cylinder (front offset) is on the driver side bank, not the passenger side like a Ford. It would be a hell of a mismatch, not to mention the smaller bore spacing.

uh... just read the edit on Jay's post... looks like he treed me!

[fe66comet]

I guess I am the most evil of all mechanical loving creatures I will drive almost anything if it suits my needs and budget. Being a guy that never had a lot sometimes limited me as to what was available.

[hercamer]

Chevy is sooo stupid they even build their blocks backwards ..good catch Royce, and Jay...

well it was worth a thought, it's all in the details as they say.


Kent

[fe66comet]

Hate to say it but the small block Chevy survived longer than anything out there. Simple, dependable and lasts for ever with maintenance. That is why it has always been a performance favorite. Parts are cheap due to popularity not because the engine was built cheap or designed improperly.

[XR7]

good catch Royce, and Jay...

Actually I am not Royce, just to avoid confusion...but,  I do have a couple XR7's and I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

[fe66comet]

I actually dislike all the new cars ford or not, all junk and nothing past the early 70s will ever be collectable. All just throw away junk once a major failure occurs they are not worth fixing unless it is still under warranty.

[Heo]

I have been told by many that the Cleveland engines had many issues but I have heard the same about FEs and for me the proof is in the pudding. Although I have never owned a Cleveland either?

Yes all experts know the 4v heads is to big no lowend bla bla bla
in fact if we compare a lets say 350 lt1 from gambia motors
every expert know that it got better lowend than a cleveland right?
when in fact the cleveland have higher torque from idle up to
about 3000 rpm and from around 4000
Yes the 302 boss with 4v heads  have weak lowend but not compared
to a Z28 302 i have driven both and about the same the boss kicks
in a litle moore when it starts to rpm
In the 80s i switced from FE s to Cleveland and i loved those engines
biggest issue is exhaust ports if you are going to make real big power
but say 400 hp is no problem even with a 2v all it takes is a cam intake and
carb the heads flow so good so you dont need a radical cam
to big cam kills the lowend on Clevelands and most cams
are just sbc profiles and they dont work on a Cleveland
I have a 400 i want to trye some 4v heads on if i find
some better rods for it
sorry for highjacking the tread jay  my rant is ower now