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427HISS

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Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« on: September 03, 2018, 03:24:22 PM »
I've only used a stock or Cloyes timing chain and sprockets ( I'll be using a mechanical cam and stacked EFI in my 428)
Mostly street driven with some track days.

Which brand set do you prefer and why ?
Number of keyways, 3, 9 ?

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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2018, 03:36:42 PM »
I've always liked the Ford Racing 9 ways because I like having the extra adjustments.  For an FE look at part FMS-M-6268-A390. 

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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2018, 03:54:29 PM »
Jay Brown's FE Power timing set. top notch. roll-master and JP both have some nice billet sets as well.
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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2018, 04:30:09 PM »
i bought a timing set back around 1990-92.its a Hamburger billet steel set with 9 keyways.i heard they went out of business after that,but not sure.real heavy steel gears,i had it on 2 different FEs with no issues,but im not sure if available anymore
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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2018, 06:22:28 PM »
Cloyes makes the Ford sets.

Edelbrock, Comp, and others do not make timing components.

If the chain says "Rolon" throw it away.

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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2018, 07:38:01 PM »
Thanks Chris & Barry.

On Summit's site, a few buyers of the Cloyes say the TDC mark is 180 off ?

https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=Cloyes%20timing%20chain%20set%20ford%20fe%20
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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2018, 08:21:30 AM »
X2 on Rollmaster - I have one on the 393C, required because of the 351W style snout on most 351C stroker cranks.

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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2018, 01:54:09 PM »
The last Ford Racing timing set I bought for an FE had enough slop in it that I couldn't bring myself to use it. I actually tossed it in the garbage because it had been on the shelf a while and couldn't return it.
I ended up using an Edelbrock branded set.
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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2018, 08:38:42 PM »
Well that sucked Jim.

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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2018, 08:42:02 PM »
Jay Brown's FE Power timing set. top notch. roll-master and JP both have some nice billet sets as well.

I wish I could afford Jays, it's a work of art, along with his cover.

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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2018, 06:59:12 AM »
You only need a 9 position key when you need one to dial in intake centerline.

The problem is, you don't know if you need one until you degree a cam, and at that point you need the timing chain, so generally most of us start with one.

I used to use Rollmaster and there was one in my 427 that was just as tight 9 years later and no wear on the gears, so I put it back in my 489, but in my 445 I used a Ford Racing chain and it worked great too.  We put an Edelbrock in a 400 Poncho, it worked great too and came in perfectly with a custom Comp Cam Brent had ground for me.

Cloyes is easy too, they just work and they actually make timing sets, so I have been happy with them.  So, IMO, unless you have an oddly machined block, Ford, Cloyes, or Rollmaster work well, and I have also had many friends happy with Edelbrock.

Not a tough decision nowadays
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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2018, 08:12:41 AM »
Jay's deal is the ticket if you want easy adjustment.  I did up a couple prototypes (one for me and one for him), proved the concept running solid roller cams in EMC entries, and tried to get Cloyes to make them.  When they repeatedly turned down the opportunity Jay went elsewhere and got the job done.

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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2018, 09:32:21 AM »
I had a lot of fun with timing chains on my 428  ::)  http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=313.0

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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2018, 09:50:30 AM »
I went with the Ford piece with the 9 keyways, and while it was very helpful in getting the cam timing where it ran best, I wish I'd had the foresight to go with Jay's piece. Taking the timing cover off the engine in the truck was a difficult process, getting clean surfaces and reinstalling it and the oil pan was more difficult. Getting the timing gear off wasn't much fun either.

At least I can now say I've done it.
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Re: Double Roller Timing Chain's. Cloyes, Lunati, Edelbrock Or Other ?
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2018, 04:18:09 PM »
Why is there a concern with timing chains with solid roller cams  and sounds like a belt is best with them ?
Because of vibrations ?
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 07:25:10 PM by 427HISS »