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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2015, 04:54:15 PM »
Neat truck the kid found. With factory A/C to boot. The bed looks good too. I'm surprised to see the rain gutter is rusted through. How are the floor boards?
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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2015, 05:09:02 PM »
That is the weird thing.
Bed, 100% pristine steel, right in the middle?  rusted out.
Door?  looks brand new, 1/8 above it on the cab, rusted clean through.  So weird.

Normally a truck that has rust, it's cab mount, cab corner, and pretty much the same all through.  This truck?  perfect steel, looks like it jsut left the factory, but a foot away is a hole.

Small hole passenger side floor board.  We have a bead roller and sheets of 18ga steel so no worries there.  The wife and I bought him carpet from ACC for Xmas, so I'll know more about the floor soon enough.

I just got word I need to ship out early (ten days from now).  Projects we are waiting on little parts for and we'll tackle next:

-Power Steering pump rebuild and new hoses
-weld patch in floor
-carpet
-carburetor rebuild
-timing chain r&r
-install new brake lines and test out all brakes

I might try to get them all done before I leave with the exception of the carpet/floor patching.  I'd hate to tear into that right before I leave and find there is more work than I expected.  (Plus my 63.5 Galaxie is NOT living outside the shop when I leave for work)

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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2016, 11:18:49 PM »
Got sent to work even earlier so no progress done before I left.
Just got home last night, today got to tearing into the truck.

Power steering and front cover of engine removed.
We will rebuild the power steering pump in the morning (I don't like rebuilds from auto parts places, and I have a tiny bit of experience with hydraulic pumps, so....)

Lykins sent me a timing chain (thanks, that was awesome).  Then I went to work.  Oddly they sent another one after I got to work and the wife let me know.  Oddly the next day UPS showed up to pick it back up.  Weird we thought.....  Well, once I got back home and tore the front of the engine down, I quickly realized I didn't have the correct parts.  So I looked up the part number and apparently I have a timing set for a Jeep Cherokee.  I can only assume (since I wasn't here) that the second set they sent was the correct one, and the part that was supposed to go back was this incorrect one.  Either way, whatever, I don't care, I went out and got the proper part, so no worries there.

When I pulled the timing cover the (roaring) sound I assumed was the timing chain became apparent.  The fuel pump eccentric fell into my hand, the bolt stripped out.  Apparently the bolt lacked loctite and the camshaft pin was WAY too short to hold the eccentric in place.  Failure diagnosis:  Pin too short, eccentric rotated with the cam until it unscrewed the bolt, roaring sound was eccentric and bolt grinding into the timing cover.  This explains why they installed an electric fuel pump (I wondered why the heck the truck would have an electric AND a mechanical fuel pump).

This goes back to my heart sinking feeling when I was told "Yeah man, the engine was rebuilt, but I think he set the valves wrong or something."
As a matter of fact the valves were set wrong, they set them like adjustables instead of setting them via torque as per the positive stop rockers they are, doh!  Taken care of.

On a happy note, I happened to have the correct camshaft pin in one of my "buckets o misc engine bullshit" and also have a spare camshaft bolt for this engine.  I very timidly screwed the bolt in, and thank god, the threads in the cam were ok.  Should get all of that bolted back together sometime in the morning.  Of course, this does concern me regarding the rest of the engine, but I guess we'll take it as it comes, I dont' feel like pulling the engine to retorque everything.  I do however need to find a proper washer for the cam eccentric....  seriously people, when you have a wear mark on the eccentric and decide to use a washer that is half the size......  I mean WTF?  Another case of a rebuild being:  2 cans spray paint, some new parts, and little to no talent or common sense in building an engine.




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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2016, 12:00:08 AM »
That's a damn fine question.  Going through that now after some brand X machine shop installed the cam bearings wrong...
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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2016, 08:55:30 AM »
Hate that about the timing chain.....sorry man....
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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2016, 09:23:45 AM »
Meh.... so over it.  I have this rule that has kept me alive thus far, "Don't take machines personally."
 
If I had a nickle for every time I got the wrong part, well.... I would finish my 445 build tonight :P

Waiting for the morning to warm up a lil bit, photobucket works again.

Hrm, what could go wrong with this setup?



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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2016, 04:45:10 PM »
Hrm, old spedi sleeve, no bueno....



Installed a new one, all good.  Guess this is why the front seal was trashed.

Got everything good to go and eventually got everything back together, my son remarked that I have the best tools....  Well, they do make life easier.



All these little issues with the 302 and Ronin might have lost a little bit of his faith in the engine.....  I assured him it would all be fine, he provided what he considered a viable Plan B.  I declined to comment, but just shook my head.



So I was busy getting stuff setup on the front of the engine and I turned around to see the boy had found a use for his gun rack:



On a personal note, I did find this funny.... he was reading over my shoulder a minute ago and said "JayB, who is that?  ohh that is Jay Brown?!?!  looking at MY truck pictures?  Awesome!!!"
(Might be a little hero thing there going on, so Jay you gotta be nice.....)

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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2016, 05:31:19 PM »
He's obviously an intelligent, hard working young man  ;D ;D
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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2016, 05:34:54 PM »
That's great stuff Drew.
My grandson was in the shop today. His dad bought him a old Yammie quad bike, and needs
some small stuff to tighten it up. He is 8 and I had him running the band saw and let him spin the chuck on the lathe.
Best day I've had in the shop for awhile.

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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2016, 03:56:53 PM »
Power Steering pump, done......





and if you've ever rebuilt one of these without a shop press, you'd understand the parting sentiment:


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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2016, 07:48:14 PM »
Are you sure the truck is a 1979, not a 78? The reason I ask is that Ford switched from the cast iron rail rocker arms like your engine has, for 1978, so a 79 302 should have the bolt down stamped steel fulcrum rocker arms. Actually, every 78 302 I have worked on also had the stamped rockers, except a buddys early built 78 Fairmont, which had the iron rockers. So I wonder if it is indeed a 79 truck, if sometime in the past, either somebody replaced the origional engine with an earlier version, of if the engine was rebuilt, they used an earlier core. Also by 1979, Ford had long ago switched to the 2 piece sheet metal fuel pump eccentric, which used the shorter cam dowel pin. Seems like a bit of "mix & match" going on with that 302. Maybe I`m a bit overly cautios, but if it were mine, I`d be tempted to pull the engine and oil pan, and take a close look for any other issues, just for piece of mind. Otherwise you will always have some doubt if it was put together properly. JMO.
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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2016, 09:38:51 PM »
I agree in a way Rory.... the engine still sounds like a squeeky, clanky POS.
The truck was built late 78, so it could be a factory mismatch or well, but, a lot can happen in 36 years.

I've said the same thing to the kid, "I bout wanna pull the whole engine and see what else was bolted together badly."
He is a bit more reasonable than I, his point of view is, "I don't get my drivers license for 4 years.... and when I do get my license I'm not really driving more than 10 miles from here...."

Both arguments are valid.  In the end, it is his money, so we're just gonna roll with it until a solution becomes obvious.  Deep down I think he's wanting me to give him the 390 in my truck (Don't blame him really, it might happen before too long anyway).

Either way, thanks for the input Rory, I appreciate it!

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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2016, 11:25:57 PM »
The reason I ask is that Ford switched from the cast iron rail rocker arms like your engine has, for 1978, so a 79 302 should have the bolt down stamped steel fulcrum rocker arms.

You know guys, I've had Ford trucks all my life and it never ceases to amaze me the amount of stuff I don't know.
Geez Rory, that is a great piece of info. I did not know that, thanks.
Drew, tell your kid he is an impressive lad. Also my first engine rebuild was a small block Ford (289). Rebuilt it on my dads garage floor. I will never forget that bond.
Might wait a bit on the 390 though till he has enough mulah to pay for the gas it uses.
Just yakking out loud over a friendly digital beer.   :)
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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2016, 09:02:16 AM »
The 390 in my truck (76 F100) gets 11-12mpg.  I highly doubt a junky smogged out 302 is going to be getting a heck of a lot better economy than that.
Anyway, truck runs well enough, we'll register it, and are just gonna drive it around a bit and see what we think.

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Re: The 79 F150
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2016, 10:18:07 PM »
   Awesome find. I love the 78-9 Fords. Brown and Tan is my favorite combo----I've got 3 of them. That's a smart kid you got there.
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