I just talked to Adney Brown about my crank shaft and he says the two center counter weights were added on. He thinks FORD back in the day went to a company called ATLAS and had them add the two additional counter weights.

Adney said he has not seen one of these cranks before, but the adding of the weights was top quality work.

I should be getting the crank back in Jan, I will post pics of the weights when I do. 

I picked up the makings of partial 390 short block project, to get the car running while I slowly build the 427. Block is a D4TE with a fresh .040" over bore and comes with a new set of Federal Mogul forged pistons, and it comes with a C4AE-B crank, the numbers says it's a 64 427 High performance cast iron crank ?, also with new rod, main & cam bearings and a partial set of new rings. There are a set of C7AE-B 3/8" re-sized rods with new bolts, that I am not sure about, and a few other odds & ends.   

I think this was the better option than going thru the rod nocking 390 in the car, which has the original 390 cast pistons, that I am not sure how long would last pulling 6 to 7,000 rpm on a regular basis ?

I am going to have to start sourcing odds and ends to put this motor together, a flex plate, balancer, balancer spacer, oil slinger, wind age tray, and so on. I've put a WTB add in the classifieds.

I had found these links with some info on the crank. So apparently it is a factory crank with the extra counterweights. And it's not a wide jrl crank.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/thread/1065149011/Rare+crank

http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/thread/1169509588/427+ford+steel+crank+part+%23+Help

The 390 with the stock pan, 6 quarts and the heads restricted I think will be fine after I extend the pickup to the bottom of the pan.

Hi Dan



Yes I live in OC The couple of times I ran my car was at the Terminal Island Raceway arranged by Big Willie, who had made arrangements with some of the shipping companies to set up areas in the terminals for people to come and race, it was popular for as long as it lasted.

I don't think I intended for the motor to run to 7000 rpm, Ron didn't know much about the cam other than the basic specs but felt it would pull to 6000 no problem, it kinda on it's own decided it like going to 7000 and who was I to argue with it...   I thought the cam would be a little too much, but for $60 for a new cam from FPP, I said what the hell, and as it turns out I couldn't of been happier with the choice.

I am finally getting some work done on a long neglected project, my 67 XR7 GT Mercury Cougar, car was park in 84 with a rod nock, I had picked up many years ago a 67 427 SO block to build to go in place of the 390, and I am finally getting around to doing it.

I pretty much want to stay away from chinese parts, so I picked up an early factory steel 427 crank for my build, it came with grooved mains which there is a little bearing issue, this particular crank comes with 2 additional counterweights off the center main, and I had the crank sent to Performance Crankshaft (Adney Brown) to get worked over. 

My side oiler block I just dropped off at Costa Mesa R&D Machine Shop, for a cleaning and initial check up, The block is currently std bore, and would prefer to stay as close as possible to that size.

This build is going to take a while, so I have decided to pull the 390 and throw a crank and a set of rods in to get it running, here are the current eng & car spec's:

 390
 428 SCJ Heads
 Offy Port a Sonic
 Cam: Old Greg Foreman-Gus Davis Grind .612" lift, Dur 312*-258@.050
 2 1/8" Hooker's
 Built C-6, 3,500 Stall
 Locker 4:57

The car was a blast and had less than 500 miles on the engine build before the rod went, probably a spun bearing ?  The rod went during a pass at the drag strip @ 7,000 rpm 2nd gear, with only a 5 quart pan and no oil restrictors in the heads, so I think the all the oil was in the valve covers and the rods were starved for oil ?  I left the headers un-corked and drove it home with the rod-nock.

Been a while, but ACL Cleveland bearings will fit an FE and they are/were 1/2 grooved.

Hi Barry

Thanks, I remember reading something about it a while back, the tangs need to be ground off due to not being in the same location as on FE bearings ?

And I did find these today: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cle-ms685p10?seid=srese1&gclid=CLCNgayduroCFWxo7AodoWEAnQ  and it says these are 1/2 grooved, but some one posted they had bought a set and they came fully grooved ? 

I bought this crank to use in my Side Oiler build for several reasons, and at the time I didn't think the grooved mains would be any issue : 

I have decided to stay stock stroke, so I picked up an early forged factory crank (Pictured) for my SO build, this one comes with two additional center counter weights. From what I was able to find out, this crank came in the 64 427 HR and in the TBolts and is listed in the 427 7000 RPM Kits and was used as a Nascar Crank.

I sent it to a crank shop to get a check-up and a clean up, and will post pics when I get it.

I think around 450 Hp is more than enough, I don't really need any more, I just want it reliable with very little maintenance.

I'm going to use the car as a daily driver, so will go around the size of the cam I currently have in my 390, drop the stall from 3500 to 2500 and drop the gears from 4.57's to something between 3.25's to 3.50's for freeway driving.

Hi Doug

If you don't like the side clearance it has, an option are custom rods with the big end wider to get the clearance to where you like it.  Since you are thinking about going Chevy rods and grinding a perfectly good STD Steal Ford crank so they fit.   I don't know the big end width of the Chevy rod so you may want to find that out first to see if they will even work.  You have to remember that the stroker kits that are now available for the FE are made and ground for the 2.200" Chevy jrl , so that the affordable massed produced BBC rods can be used.

Thanks to mike7570 the BBC rods big end width is now known.

I am going to do a build along the same lines and have been researching my options, some info below.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0811phr_427_fe_ford_engine/viewall.html
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_0811_ford_428_cobra_jet_engine/

The Super Ford Magazine, March 1993 issue, the 474 Stoker Fe article build by former Kuntz & Craft Performance who did a lot of this build for competitors who ran Super Street, Super Gas, Fast Bracket and dirt tracks: It starts with a .030 over 427 block, 3.980" 428 crank, offset ground to a 4.125" stroke on a 2.310" rod jrl which is the same size as the 400M, the rods are the 6.580" 400M rods bushed for a .912" pin which K&C had tested to over 8000rpm. The rods are about .100" longer than FE rods, and the big ends are narrowed to .873 to fit the pins. I picked up the 400M rods some time ago along with the cranks, so I have options.

 So, I could have either of these cranks offset ground to increase the strokes and have a steel crank option thanks to my recent parts research, I found a lot of the FE stroker crank kits now are going to the 2.200" BBC rod jrl size and using the BBC 6.700" rods, so that got me thinking, I could have the 361 crank off set ground to the BBC 2.200" jrl and get it out to the 3.78" stroke and use the BBC 6.700" rods and take the extra length of the BBC rods out of the pistons CH, which reduce the reciprocating weight of the big C/H heavy pistons. And the same with the 391 truck crank, have it off set ground to 3.98" 428 stroke.