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FE Technical Forum / Re: Custom engine perches and engine angle
« on: June 29, 2021, 05:39:59 AM »
Factory Ford had 3 degree tail down, that is measured as crank centerline, flywheel or bell, not carb pad. 

The idea is to have some u-joint needle bearing rotation due to a little difference in height and driveshaft yoke and crank centelrine on the same plane when under power.  As said above, what it is, is less important than being between 1.5-3-ish and parallel planes

Ross , does that mean that the engine perches would be welded in at the desired degree whether it be 1.5 to 3 degrees ?  There is only about .05 degrees give to the engine mounts when you put downward pressure on the tranny tail shaft.
Thanks,
Red

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FE Technical Forum / Custom engine perches and engine angle
« on: June 27, 2021, 06:51:24 AM »
Howdy all.
Stupid question, should the FE engine mount perches be welded in level or at a 3 degree angle?
I'm currently working on my 64, Pro Street build. I have fabricated my own engine perches  and I am in the process of welding them in. I will be running a 427 with a dual quad tunnel wedge intake. I have the block, engine mounts, scatter shield and 4 speed toploader mocked up. My dilemma I have a six and a half inch drop from the end of my tail shaft to center of the differential. I have a four link suspension also. How big of a problem is it going to be with that much drop from the tail shaft to the differential?
The engine is sitting up higher so we can clear the Mustang 2 front end. Thank you in advance! See you all in September!
Red

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FE Technical Forum / Clutch kit ideas for a toploader
« on: January 28, 2021, 05:16:39 AM »
Greetings fellas !
I need some input on my 64 Comet build. We will have a 427 somewhere around 700 HP with a 4 speed toploader big in big out (for now....)
The rack on the Mustang 2 front end has forced the engine to sit higher. I wanted to go with a manual clutch /brake set up but I'm going to be cramped for room and it looks like the best choice will be a hydraulic clutch.
What would be the best clutch kit for mostly street use and some abuse at the track ?
In the picture you can see that the clutch fork will be almost even with the frame rail.
Thanks in advance for all the help !
Red

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As Wayne mentioned, the Washing Soda and battery charger works wonders. I had a 427 block hot tanked a while back , but still gave the block the electrolysis treatment because the hot tanking doesn't get the rust off all the time. Sorry for your trouble Doug, it is aggravating for sure.
If you ever need a good recipe for setting up a tank to do the electrolysis let me know.
Red



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How about calling them "BANGERS"  in relationship to the rock'n roll term, "head-bangers"....
"Brown Bangers" ?
Still think'n....

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE Race and Reunion who is going !!
« on: January 20, 2019, 08:13:14 PM »
Can't wait for this year after missing last year.  We're bound to have one of those 70 - 75 degree weekends one of these years.
Good weather or bad, it's just great to be there and see everyone.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Starter problems
« on: July 14, 2018, 02:02:38 PM »
Starter update :
I called Robb again and he suggested measuring the end gap (distance from the end of the pinion gear to the ring gear) the distance should be 1/16th to 3/16 ths. Mine end gap was 2/16 ths so Robb suggested putting in the 1/16" thick shim that is sent along with his starter. There was a shim in starter already so now my end gap is 3/16ths.
So after 10 starts no grinding noise.......so possibly a shim did the trick. Stay tuned.....

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Starter problems
« on: July 08, 2018, 09:31:37 PM »
Blair, I think you can see the bottom of the OE alignment plate in the pic here. When the engine was built 5 years ago, I was using a scatter shield with the alignment plate that it came with. My car was being re-painted at a very reputable local shop (V8 Speed and Resto) and one day they started the car up and the pinion gear actually fell out of the starter. They thought it might be an alignment problem and suggested using a OE bell housing. So I put on a 67 bell housing and still have the same problem...

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Starter problems
« on: July 08, 2018, 08:03:21 PM »
Starter update,
I sent the mini starter back to Robb and had the pinion support added, he also load tested the starter , all checked out ok.
I re installed the starter, I rotated the flywheel checked the teeth and all are in good shape.
After two starts all was good, on the third start , same problem engaging, grinding noise....
The bell housing is a '67 and btw this is a 428 engine...
I guess I'll take out the starter and put some white paint on the pinion and see where it's hitting the flywheel.
Why would I only hear the grinding noise every 3 or 4 starts ? Has anyone else had to shim a mini starter ???

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Starter problems
« on: June 05, 2018, 08:20:10 PM »
I thought I would post this reply from Robb McMackin for future reference ....

If you purchased the only five years ago, the nose (i.e. the adapter/mounting block with three "ears) should already have the counterbore required to use the pinion support cone (i.e. nose cone). To be certain, remove the four allen head screws and look inside the nose to see if it has a 2-3/8" diameter by 1/16" deep counterbore. If so, you can install the nose cone with no machining to the nose required.

Make sure you are running a thin factory starter locating/block plate. From the photos, it appears that you may have excess backlash. The starter plate is what locates the starter radially to ensure proper backlash. Here are examples of the plate:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-FE-332-352-390-406-428-427-BLOCK-PLATE/273248022722?hash=item3f9ed9f0c2:g:ptQAAOSwQcJaCd4H
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-FE-360-390-427-428-CJ-SCJ-Mustang-Shelby-Cougar-Mustang-Comet-Block-Plate/332654604362?hash=item4d73c2704a:g:YMgAAOSwFAZTuiL0

Aftermarket scattershields often come with a thicker version of this plate. However, the hole for the starter is often oversize and/or not located accurately. So, use the thin factory plate even if you are also using the thick scattershield plate.

I will certainly sell you a new gear and/or nose cone if you want but we recommend that you ship the starter back to us. We will examine it for further damage, load test it and install a new gear and cone. If we ship you a new gear, it may be too loose or too tight on the splines of the shaft (we select fit the gears to the shaft splines)

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FE Technical Forum / Starter problems
« on: June 03, 2018, 08:42:56 AM »
I've been using a Robb MC starter on my 428 and in 5 years and  less than 5  thousand miles this is the third Bendix gear that has been ruined. From the looks of the Bendix gear, do you guys out there think that the gear is engaging the flywheel properly? There is no damage to the flywheel. When the engine was originally built I was running a scatter Shield, when the first gear got chewed up I thought it might be an alignment issue so I put an original bell housing back on the engine and it is still chewing the gear up. What could possibly be the problem? The pictures show two of the gears that I have gone through.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Mono leaf and CalTrac kit for street use
« on: May 25, 2018, 04:41:20 AM »


Red, the new bracket that comes with the Caltracs has to pivot, so you can't just weld it in place.  On my Galaxie I moved the rear leaf springs inboard for tire clearance so my setup is not going to be like yours.  If I were you, I think I'd cut the bottom of the leaf spring bracket away and then weld a reinforcement piece in over the top or front side, and then just leave the bottom open.  I basically did that on my car (although I cut the frame to move the spring inboard too), and it hasn't given me any trouble.
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Thanks for the info Jay, I'll be working on this project over the weekend. I'll be honest, I'm not new to welding but I've never welded under a car before and with the fuel pump being close I get a little apprehensive ....LOL

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Mono leaf and CalTrac kit for street use
« on: May 23, 2018, 05:16:51 AM »
Not to hi-jack this post , but I am also in the process of installing a set of Caltracs also at this time. These are going on my 64 Galaxie and I am using stock springs for the time being. My main concern is how others have reinforced the front spring box after cutting the bottom of the box out to fit the Caltrac bracket in there, or did you make a new front bracket to house the Caltracs....
We would greatly appreciate any pictures and description of what others have done to modify these 63-64  Galaxie front spring boxes.
The way it looks to me, you could cut the bottom of the box out and slip the Caltrac bracket up in there but the new bracket might need to be welded to the spring box for support ???
ALSO, what shocks or adjustable shocks work the best on this application ?
I've learned to ask before I do anything stupid....
Thanks as always for the help fellas....
Red

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Timing trouble....
« on: May 11, 2018, 09:06:40 PM »
I took Faron's advice and put the original heavy springs back on ,and set the timing back to 13 initial. Starts great and idles at 800 rpms.
The original problem I was having after the install of the new heads was on start up the engine would be warming up (around 1500 rpms) and then just start to die. This will continue until something changes.  I use electronic choke...

Another thing I noticed is the damn carbon contact in the MSD cap is burned off again. I swear you should change the cap on these MSD dist. when you change the oil !
I've been thinking of a new distributor , what would be a good choice ?? MSD Digital E-Curve ??

Something Larry talked about was rotor phasing and I noticed when I lifted the rotor that the lugs on the reluctor are never lined up with the magnetic pick up as it shows in the picture.
Correct reluctor position is the first pic,
my reluctor is the second pic....
BTW, thanks for all your kind help fellas....



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FE Technical Forum / Re: Timing trouble....
« on: May 11, 2018, 04:11:48 PM »
I also took a picture of the plugs. some of them look like there a little on the lean side and I'm not sure what will make a plug turn orange but you can see  in the picture also on plug number 3. The first picture on top is 5 through 8 the picture below that are plugs 1 through 4

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