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FE Technical Forum / Re: 1965 427 with two 4s timing specs
« on: November 27, 2020, 09:17:29 PM »
I have found iron head FE's like total timing in the 34*-36* range as a general good starting place.
Set your limiter bushings to achieve 34*-36* total and begin timing the rest from there.

You will go forth and back getting things correct.

If you have a mild to moderate cam (more than stock, but not yet up to a radical idle) you will probably find the engine likes more initial timing, with less mechanical advance.

The advance curve will depend on many things, rear end gearing, transmission gearing, and vehicle weight being a few that make a big difference.

For instance, the same hotted up 428 placed in a 64' Falcon with 4.88:1 gears and a 4 spd can use a really fast curve, as opposed to a slower curve when that engine is in an otherwise stock 73' F100 with a C6 and 3.00:1 gears.

Just for fun try 16* initial, 35* total, (Black bushing) with both springs being light blue and tune the vac advance with driving characteristics.



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FE Technical Forum / Re: Dropping in the distributor.... DUH!!
« on: November 23, 2020, 06:07:50 PM »
Take a digital photo of the distributor, with the cap removed and rotor in place, before removing anything further.
This gives a great visual reminder about how things were prior to taking things apart.

Make sure your timing marks are good so you can trust them.

Remove the spark plug from #1 cylinder.
Rotate crank in correct direction until pressure comes up in #1 cylinder.
You can detect pressure with your finger, or any number of tools you can make from an old, gutted, sparkplug.

Once you have pressure being built, and you are certain you are on the compression stroke, not exhaust, then stick a small dowl into #1 cylinder through the spark plug hole.
This dowl does not have to be stout, just stiff enough to not deflect easily.
I use a 1/8" wood dowl because it fits easily, does not jamb, but provided enough ridgidity to get the job done. Besides, none of the wood particles left behind will cause harm to the engine.

With the dowl inserted, and the piston still coming up to TDC, slowly rotate the crank until you find TDC. Not the rotor location makes sense and matches closely to what you had prior to work.
You will likely go past TDC on the first attempt...No big deal, just go around again, but pull the dowl out before going further so you don't drop it in, or mash it somehow.

This time as you come around to TDC pay close attention to your timing marks.
Like Brent said, stop at 30* BTDC and set things up.
This should get you started and running. Once running get the light and set things just right.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 1989 F150 ECU questions.
« on: November 23, 2020, 11:05:54 AM »
This is something I have suspected.
I have not bothered to open and electrically inspect the ECU...but, most capacitors do eventually fail. Resistors can last seemingly forever in many instances, but not the capacitors.

The capacitors have been the trouble in almost every instance in my vintage audio gear too.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 1989 F150 ECU questions.
« on: November 20, 2020, 06:11:08 PM »
I did some searching. I talked with my parts store manager. He talked with his Ford delaership mechanic he confides in.
They searched up and down with my VIN# as well as other useful information taken directly off the ECU tag.
The "trouble" part of my numbers lies in the (x2b) portion, all else is verifiable.

The best info we can come up with is the aftermarket boxes have simply done away with the number suffix between the two letters.

I have a box coming with the (xb) numbers and I will find out how this goes.
My manager friend said I could return it if it does not work properly.

In a holding pattern for the next few days for the box to arrive.

Yes, I agree with the water intrusion part.
The multi-pin connector does have a nice silicone seal across all the pins, but the rest of the connector is pretty exposed. I may devise a deflector of some type to help with this...Or just leave it and fill the area with dielectric grease and hope for the best.
None of the pins or connector is corroded at this point, which I found surprising.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Battery Chargers
« on: November 17, 2020, 08:55:52 AM »
Try this website for some "Made in USA" information.
https://usamadeproducts.biz/electronics-battery-chargers.html

Be sure you type in "Made in USA" when you search, not "Made in America."

If you search "Made in America" it includes all of North America, and all of South America, because they too are "America."


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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 1989 F150 ECU questions.
« on: November 17, 2020, 08:46:09 AM »
A quick Google search produced this hit on your ECU calibration - in stock:

https://www.fs1inc.com/e8tf-12a650-x2b-1988-ford-truck-f-series-4-9l-engine-computer-pcm-ecm-ecu-plug-play-efi-sd20a.html
Thanks. I was literally on that site and was unable to bring up my exact ID#
I typed it into the search a couple times just to make sure I did not fat finger the numbers too.
I did find a few numbers that were very close, such as XB, but without the 2 inbetween.
I also typed in caps for the letters of the part number, maybe that makes a difference.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / 1989 F150 ECU questions.
« on: November 16, 2020, 11:06:23 PM »
Hello all.
I am working on a 1989 F150, 2WD, 300-I6 (EFI), 5spd manual.
The ECU is giving intermittent troubles and I have removed it for testing and identification.

The problem lies in my lack of technical knowledge concerning replacement ECU's.
Everything I read tells me the ID#'s are critical in getting the right programming for the ECU.

My ECU ID#: E8TF-12A650-X2B

Neither I, nor the autoparts stores, nor places like Rockauto and others, lists this exact part number.
None of the places has the ability to tell me if there have been superceded part numbers taking place over my older number...No cross references either.

Does anyone know where I can get a proper ECU?
Does anyone know if there is a different ECU ID# that will work with my engine combo?

Thnks for any and all help.

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I will admit I am not a fan of the self driving cars...for a number of reasons.
But, the tech is here and it will be developed regardless of my desires for such things.

The teething problems of new tech, or advancing tech, can be funny and startling.

You should see some of the early trials of the Phalanx CIWS weapon systems...Talk about scary!

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Must have been a Chevy 12-bolt differential.
This made me laugh.
I think we have all seen the busted C-Clip hard launch turn...Which probably sucks to have happen.
Heck, I watched a very nice 401 powered Gremlin make the busted axle turn so hard it literally went right over the fense at about the 80 foot mark.
Launch, turn hard left, mash the guardrail so hard it just climbed right over, flip to the roof, skid and rotate to a stop on the roof about 40 feet later, finishing between the grandstands and the guardrail at about the 100 foot mark.

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See!...SEEE!!! This is what you get when you mix snow tires on the rear, and all season tires on the front.
Tire Rack was right. You do need four snow tires to be safe.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Cobra Roadster transmission options these days?
« on: November 12, 2020, 05:29:49 PM »
Thanks so far guys. I appreciate all the helpful input.
I like the wide ratio Toploader myself.
It is strong enough, it looks correct because it is correct, and it shifts really well.
Half the fun of driving a Cobra is quick shifting through the gears.
EVERY TKO600 Cobra I have driven does not even come close to the smoothness and quickness of a Toploader.

Jay, I don't think there is enough length for a good gear vendor install.
It would literally fit in the space, but the driveshaft would consist of two U-joints welded together for the proper length.

Brent, you know the person I am working with on this Cobra.
I made sure to send him your way, and I am glad he has taken my advice.
I sent him to three places overall.
Build him a durable, correct looking engine and he will be very happy.
If you can get it to not leak oil...even better.

The current Cobra he has, I worked on, and delivered to his home.
He seems like a really good guy.

While he is thinking about the TKO600 for the 5th gear, I think he could be talked into the wide ratio Toploader and 3.31:1 gears for a really great overall package.

When you get the engine more finalized it may be worth some talk with him about where this engine makes power, where it runs out of rpm, and what rear gears and trans ratios will work best.

This Forum is where I am seeking any new transmission possibilities...like the TKX.
I'll look into this new transmission and see what I can learn.

Thanks again everyone. I do appreciate the useful discussion.

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FE Technical Forum / Cobra Roadster transmission options these days?
« on: November 12, 2020, 08:59:19 AM »
I am wondering what the current manual transmission options are for use in an ERA Cobra Roadster.
This will be a street style Cobra, no scoops, no rollbar, no stripes...nothing S/C about it.
The engine will be an FE built with relatively mild specs and dressed to look correct. Probably in the 430HP and 480TQ range. Brent will be building this engine.
This will be a fun style Cobra that is mostly street driven, cruised, and beat on when the mood strikes.
I like the way the Toploader shifts and feels when set up right, but I would like to add one more gear to act like an overdrive.
The Tremec TKO600 is one option, but I have found them notchy and hard shifting compared to the Toploader.
This transmission should not require special modifications to the ERA Cobra to install.
I don't want to cut the car, or have the shifter in an odd place.
Undercar mods are not as much an issue.

Because I don't know everything...yet...I am seeking advice from the FE brain trust concerning what is currently available for such duty.

Thanks for any and all help.



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Private Classifieds / Re: 428CJ Block
« on: November 09, 2020, 10:52:08 PM »
Please tell us why you passed on the purchase.

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427HISS; There is a lot to consider when talking about this subject. One major thing to keep in mind is the difference between lab findings, and real world engine conditions. First, let us assume all parts of the ignition system are operating properly.

Considering the new rare earth metals used in electrode tips...YES, they do last longer than standard metal tips...but does that matter in an FE powered vehicle? I don't think so.

A few parameters a spark plug must meet are, correct heat range, correct spark gap, the ability to thread in and fit the hole as intended, the ability to arrest the spark energy and channel it to the plug gap only, and the ability to properly hold the spark plug wire...The rest is some sort of add on.

An Autolite 45 is a pretty standard plug for FE engines, and has been around for a long, long time. This plug will function properly if it is the correct heat range for the tune of the engine as well as having the correct gap. In a points style system it will easily go 30,000 miles, and in a more modern system it will easily go 50,000 miles.

But, at less than $30 for a set of 8 plugs it really does not matter because they are cheap to replace if something goes wrong.

The V-plugs, and other poly-electrode styles do offer some benefits, but only in terms of more sharp, conductive areas for the spark to jump across.
The electrical properties of the spark are limited to the physics of electricity.
This means the spark will jump the gap of least resistance.

When the single electrode plug begins to wear, the spark must work a bit harder to jump the growing gap. Until the gap becomes more resistive than other conductive gaps, the spark will continue to jump that gap...right up to misfire conditions.

The poly-electrode plugs do provide multiple areas for the spark to arc across, but they do not provide an "easier" area for the spark to arc across until the easiest area wears to the point the spark arc begins using a different gap area than the now worn and harder to jump gap occurs.

In effect, the poly-electrode plugs provide more wear surfaces as compared to a single electrode plug. All else is equivalent when the system parameters are taken into consideration.
The Autolite 45, when gapped correctly and in good condition, will provide the same spark, across the same .040" gap, as any other quality conductor capable of handling the power of the system.

The poly-electrode plugs do provide a "better" life in systems, or uses, that tend to burn electrodes quickly simply because they literally have more electrodes to burn down before the plug begins to misfire.

This same principle occurs in the rare metal tipped plugs. The tips simply last longer and therefore maintain the proper gap longer...but they do not provide a better spark across a given gap.

The rare earth metal tipped plugs do present a potential to lose the tip...They are affixed in some manner so they will come off at some point. This VERY hard tip now must travel through the system until ejected out the exhaust, or becoming lodged into some portion of the engine where it finally resides.

My findings concerning spark plugs are this.
1) The plug must be constructed properly, Good threads, good seal washer if required, good porcelain (resistor/insulator) good conductor and connection to the plug wire tip, electrodes that maintain the set gap, proper length of plug body into combustion chamber for the application.

The rest, while verifiable in the lab, probably does not result in increased performance with normal engine use.

Last is the general use of most FE engine these days. While many FE's now reside in nice cars and trucks and boats, few of them see daily use and high miles each year...Many don't see 3,000 miles per year.
This means a lowly 30,000 mile lifespan spark plug will probably last 8-10 years in most instances when screwed into an FE engine these days.

Find a spark plug you like, understand, and have verified as a working heat range for your engine tune and let the rest work itself out.

If there is one thing I have verified over the decades in terms of spark plugs it is this.
I have never, ever, had a properly sized, name brand, spark plug NOT work properly without a good reason.
That reason is usually a physical defect in the plug, some issue with the ignition system of the engine, a poor tune, or some variation of all of these...but never has the plug itself been the problem.

Champion, Autolite, Motorcraft, NGK, Bosch, AC Delco, Denso, they all work well when applied, gapped, and installed correctly.

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Member Projects / Re: Minnesota registration question 66 LTD
« on: October 19, 2020, 08:05:45 PM »
Try to get some knowledge on your own concerning the current registration rules and regulations.
Get the statutes in writing, in your hand, for best results.

My learning curve when taking a car off the books. I purchased a 1966 Galaxie 2dr fastback as a parts car...the frame was so shot I could not even jack the car up, but there were lots of excellent parts on this car.

Anyway, when I had completed my teardown I took the title to my local Deputy Registrar in Eagan, off Beau-de-Reau drive...It is Cedar Grove Pkwy now. I really did not know what to do but I knew this car was never going to see the road again so why not get it off the books.

The lady who helped me was the special kind of pleasant you never forget. She knew everything and you were an idiot bothering her. This Galaxie had Collector plates so they were part of the deal. She tells me this will cost something like $325 directly because of the Collector plates...This was the late 1990's and that was a LOT of money to simply take a title off the system.
I tried to reason with her and all she would do was talk a bit more tersely and loudly...I took my title and left, having done nothing. After some checking, and a trip to the main DMV office in St. Paul. I had spoken to the man in charge of the whole place...after working my way up the ladder past people who did not know what to do.
They were good, polite, and helpful, just nobody had ever scrapped a Collector titled vehicle I guess. Well the head guy gives me a copy of the statutes, and after finding out who I was dealing with at the regirstrars office, he also gave me some special treatment, including his personal phone number to call if she was more trouble.

I went back to the office, armed with the statutes, and tried again. She was having non of it. I had manufactured that stuff and it was not true because she had been doing this since...blah, blah, blah, remember, she knew everything and you were and idiot.

I politely asked if I could use the counter telephone to call the St Paul DMV office. She snarkily agreed stating there is nothing they can find to help me.

As I am calling the office I am also getting out my special letter directly spelling out exactly what to do with this situation. DMV letterhead, signed, endorsed, and notorized by the man himself...it even had one of those embossed seals...Like I said, I got some special treatment from him. I guess my polite attitude paid off this time.

I talk to the man and he says, put her on..so I give the phone to Mrs. Crabtree and it goes like a movie scene.
I can hear him YELLING at her while she tries to but in and say something...Nope, you are wrong lady and this much work should not have to be done to get this simple job accomplished.

She hangs up the phone and does not even look at me, let alone talk to me.
She takes my title and does the work and it is done...two minutes tops.

In the end it cost me a $17 filing fee and required me to surrender the Collector plates, and that is all. Had I agreed to the first set of demands, as told to me by Crabby, I would still have a so-what set of Collector plates and I would have been overcharged a bit over $300.

This taught me to check every statute I am required to follow and it has also taught me, while there are a few good people working there, most do NOT know what the statute literally dictates...There are just too many of them to know them all. They only have an idea, and often that idea is quite wrong.

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