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Which of these valve covers would you be interested in?

Pentroof cast aluminum, plain
64 (71.1%)
Pentroof cast aluminum, finned
23 (25.6%)
Neither; prefer valve covers that are already available elsewhere
3 (3.3%)

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Gregwill16

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #180 on: July 04, 2017, 06:46:19 AM »
That does look good Jay nice work! Those may end up being the best seller after the durability test as you can partially diagnose issues with little effort.

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #181 on: July 04, 2017, 08:39:50 AM »
Jay, how's about some more pics of the '68, all shiny and polished up? I'm sure other would like a current look-see as well.  ;)
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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #182 on: July 04, 2017, 08:50:01 AM »
Jay so who's covers are they in the picture is that something you made up also. And yes some pis of the stang would be nice. Ok just went back and read it like I should have in the first place so forget about the first question how about some pics.
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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #183 on: July 04, 2017, 09:31:09 AM »
Go to the first page of this thread for some pics of the car in 2015, right before I tore it apart:

http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=2725.msg26923#msg26923
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #184 on: July 04, 2017, 09:58:28 AM »
Jay whatever happened to the LED lights you had on the prototype clear cover.. I would think that would really be appealing to the gotta have bling crowd. plus it could be like a strobe light to check valve train motion....
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
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1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #185 on: July 04, 2017, 10:40:14 AM »
I know you have it some where, but what's the pricing going to be on these?

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #186 on: July 04, 2017, 11:37:25 AM »
Jay whatever happened to the LED lights you had on the prototype clear cover.. I would think that would really be appealing to the gotta have bling crowd. plus it could be like a strobe light to check valve train motion....

Royce, I have one set with the LED lights built in, but the set I put on the car doesn't have them.  I may swap to the LED set sometime this summer.  I was going to do a strobe circuit to flash them with a potentiometer under the hood to adjust the speed, but haven't gotten around to that yet.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #187 on: July 04, 2017, 11:41:12 AM »
I know you have it some where, but what's the pricing going to be on these?
$295/set, I think.  I haven't done all the production pricing checks yet.  Bear in mind that these covers won't fit on every application.  For example, I think a valve spring diameter of about 1.55" is about max; I had a friend try them on an engine with 1.61" diameter springs and they wouldn't fit.  They also won't fit on some rocker setups, and they just barely clear the Precision Oil Pump end stands.  On the other hand, the valve covers with the cast aluminum base and the flat clear top should fit on anything; it remains to be seen on that set if they will seal properly over the long haul, though...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #188 on: July 04, 2017, 01:48:08 PM »
I know you have it some where, but what's the pricing going to be on these?
$295/set, I think.  I haven't done all the production pricing checks yet.  Bear in mind that these covers won't fit on every application.  For example, I think a valve spring diameter of about 1.55" is about max; I had a friend try them on an engine with 1.61" diameter springs and they wouldn't fit.  They also won't fit on some rocker setups, and they just barely clear the Precision Oil Pump end stands.  On the other hand, the valve covers with the cast aluminum base and the flat clear top should fit on anything; it remains to be seen on that set if they will seal properly over the long haul, though...
Thank you. That's a really reasonable price.
Why can't -or why wouldn't- you make the one piece covers with the same internal dimensions as the two piece? Draft issues?
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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #189 on: July 04, 2017, 02:19:35 PM »
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was going to do a strobe circuit to flash them with a potentiometer under the hood to adjust the speed, but haven't gotten around to that yet.

Better yet, wire it in to the bass channel of your stereo.
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #190 on: July 04, 2017, 02:38:08 PM »
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was going to do a strobe circuit to flash them with a potentiometer under the hood to adjust the speed, but haven't gotten around to that yet.

Better yet, wire it in to the bass channel of your stereo.

Best tech idea yet!! Imagine the hood up at the cruise-in, and your rockers flashing to some classic MC Hammer. Don't Touch This! 'Cuz that's how I roll, er, hop. I can paint my stock rockers in neon colors to show my class and fine breeding.

Seriously, I really like these clear covers. Keeping fingers crossed that they stay clear under use. Not really of course; I can't type with my fingers crossed. Seriously.

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #191 on: July 04, 2017, 02:52:21 PM »
Thank you. That's a really reasonable price.
Why can't -or why wouldn't- you make the one piece covers with the same internal dimensions as the two piece? Draft issues?

It's more about how they are constructed, although draft does enter into it.  I do need more draft when vacuum forming the clear top than I need when designing the sand cast covers.

The valve cover rail sandwiches the polycarbonate with 3/8" aluminum on either side.  That area of the polycarbonate has to be flat to get a decent seal.  Once inside of the valve cover rail, the polycarbonate has to make a somewhat gradual turn to go vertical; the polycarbonate I'm using is 0.090" wall and it just won't suck down all that well in the corners of the plug, to make a nice sharp edge.  So, that gradual turn once the polycarbonate is inside the valve cover rails eats up some area, and can cause some interference issues.

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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #192 on: July 13, 2017, 06:44:30 PM »

Well, they do a lot of other parts besides FE stuff, and I have my own plan for heads and intakes, that wouldn't really mesh with what Blue Thunder makes.  So that's not really a good option for me.  Besides, I don't think they're for sale  ;D ;D

Time to ask a stupid question. Been reading another thread that has degenerated into some uncivil discourse and the limitations of the FE head/intake configuration was mentioned. If you can make an intake adapter, and BBM and Survival have made new heads, and you are thinking about blocks and heads, is there a reason that the FE head must have the intake sit over top of the block? Is it not possible to make a head and intake adapter into one and the same?

Would it not open up additional options for runner routing and chamber shape?
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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #193 on: July 13, 2017, 08:30:11 PM »
I don't think it would open up any runner routing or chamber shape options, but it would make the FE a little bit more conventional.  The problem will be the area under the extended head and the block rail.  The SOHC has that feature, and has little triangularly shaped cork pieces that go in to seal that area.  You could do the same thing if you extended the wedge FE head out. 

Of course, if you did that, no standard FE intake would fit, because of the design.  So, you'd be stuck with a custom intake, or making the head fit an intake from another engine, like the 351C.  And if you are going to design a new head and require an intake that wouldn't fit previous head designs, you could just leave the basic configuration the same.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Thinking about casting some valve covers...
« Reply #194 on: July 14, 2017, 09:44:13 AM »
Maybe 10 yrs back, Rick Smith(trick flow) was telling me that he could build me a set of heads that would really wake my car up.  Great, just need that winning lottery ticket ;D .  I told him the only problem was it would not be an "FE" anymore because I'm sure it would be a custom billet whatever with a custom intake, blah, blah, blah.   I'm sure it would fly, but again, it would not be an "FE" anymore.

Rick worked with a local truck pulling guy on a SBF, so he was around the shop occasionally.

Lucky for me(and my pocket book) I like it just the way it is.  8)
Larry