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428Marauder

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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2016, 09:19:18 PM »
Update: I decided, with this kind of major surgery, it would be a good idea to have a guy that is not gonna screw me over, but also do a complete job. So, I called some guys at the oldest machine shop in town, they said they don't do head gasket jobs, I said, "I figured, but can you suggest someone for me?" and they did.

So, I take her in Monday. Fingers crossed it costs me less than $1K. At least I finally get to put on the valve covers that I want.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2016, 01:49:49 PM »
Update:

Compression checks at 155 on all cylinders, mechanic said it looks like the head gasket did not fail. Heads are in the machine shop getting checked now.

Fingers crossed.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2016, 08:00:41 PM »
Quesion:

The mechanic said to me today that the problem might have been just that I hadn't properly burped the radiator. Then he said the compression check was fine, and then he told me that the heads were at the machine shop. Our initial discussion was to do a diagnostics first, compression check, etc. and then go from there. Too late now, right?

I'm not sure how upset I should be that perhaps the top end was torn down and all it needed was a burp. $100 bill vs. $1500 bill. I've decided something needs to be said, but not sure how to word it. Any suggestions?
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2016, 07:53:55 AM »
Well, it's tough to say.  If all the diagnostics go pretty well, but you had already temp-sealed it using a block seal, he likely took it down to see if he could find a marginal head gasket or a crack.  Once he went in there, he saw it wasn't a gasket, but the machine shop could still find a crack or warped head.

As much as there are shady guys out there, if I understand the posts, you had it sealed but didn't trust it.  So he started looking at it, found it sealed, so went deeper to see what was going in so you could trust it.  It sounds like he is trying to make sense of what he sees before the heads get back.

BTW how did you fill it with coolant, did you let it get hot with the cap off and let the thermostat open and add more?  Did you drill a small hole in the thermostat (not required but surely helps)    I am not a guy who "burps" any cooling system unless it has a bleed valve by design, but you have to add more after the thermostat opens.

As this point, if it were me or my customer, I'd do a good valve job with modern valve seals and if marginal, cut the head surface and if needed the exhaust flange surface.

I could be wrong, but my hunch is he is doing it right to make the car reliable

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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2016, 08:51:28 AM »
+1 on what Ross said, and to me it is hard to believe than an air pocket in the cooling system could cause the problems you were seeing.  Drill that small hole in the thermostat and install it at the top to eliminate that possibility.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2016, 02:45:33 PM »
It's not that I think the guy is shady, I just wish he had consulted with me after doing diagnostics and before taking the heads off. I feel like he may have jumped the gun.

It was his words that it might have just been air in the system.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2016, 08:47:57 PM »
I do not know if he did a Co2 check. He didn't say anything about doing one. I clearly need to replace a radiator hose, but I told the guy, because I am broke, that I have a spare and I will do that myself.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2016, 01:39:21 PM »
Could a crack in the intake manifold cause this?
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2016, 02:22:18 AM »
Update:

I wont go into the whole thing with my opinion that the mechanic MIGHT have prematurely, without my authorization, tore the top end off. I'm putting in those Mercury pentroofs, there has been a lot of bead blasting and repainting and it's going to look real nice.

I'm upset that the mechanic and the machine shop made decisions without talking to me first.

Final bill, $1406.

I wrote all about it on my poker blog. If it fixes the problem, as the mechanic says he thinks it will, phew ... Only $1400. If we still got a problem ....

ETA: Intake has a crack in it. Photos to come. I have not seen them, but when the guy said $600 for a aluminum intake I said no.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2016, 08:36:20 AM »
Where is the crack in the intake?
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2016, 08:03:04 PM »
I have not seen it yet. The mechanic took a photo of it.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2016, 07:19:07 PM »
Ok, so here is the crack:

http://imgur.com/DzLdXU3

I got the car back today and it is still knocking. Also I just looked at it and my radiator hoses were almost flat. I guess now that the system does not leak I need hoses with springs in them?
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2016, 07:24:05 PM »
If that crack goes all the way through into the exhaust crossover passage, you can suck oil through the crack and into the intake port.  You can burn a lot of oil that way.  Did they fix that crack?

I would say yes on the spring in the lower radiator hose.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2016, 07:32:41 PM »
They did not fix the crack. The mechanic said it would not cause any problems besides maybe some blowback and any oil would go back into the crankcase. He said out here in AZ those ports can actually be intentionally blocked off as they help warm the carb at startup and are not needed.

I think now I must have a clog in my overflow hose. The mechanic did put a new radiator cap on it.
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Re: Is this 100% a blown head gasket?
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2016, 07:59:53 PM »
428 Marauder, where do you live?

$1400 for the work done is nuts.