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390 for Dan the Electrician
« on: February 19, 2012, 12:16:29 AM »
   Hey guys,
 
       A guy I know named Dan has a 66 Comet Cyclone. I have been trying to convince him to go to the Ford show in Carlisle for a while. He finally said he'd go this year. The Cyclone has a 2v 289. It is pretty worn out. Have to find some sand in the road to spin the tire. He said before he goes to Carlisle he wants to rebuild the engine. He wants more pep. We talked about stroking the 289 to a 331. Then talked about a 408 Windsor. He didn't seem to interested in either. Then he comes to me and says he wants a big block. I said awesome, a 460? No, I want a 390. Cool. We kicked around the idea on what to do. Basically, we are going with a 445 kit, probably the E-brock heads, E-brock Performer RPM dual quad and FPA headers. Trying to decide on a cam. Probably a hydraulic roller. either 236 or 242 @ .050 on the intake side. Will probably flip a coin on which cam.


   Now, we need to find a 390, FE bell C-6 and a 9' rear. Plus all the little odds and ends that connect everything---like mounts, linkages and radiator. We looked at a junk 66 390 Fairlane. Boy, it was junk, was only worth scrap and a ton of aggravation since it was buried up to the rockers for 20 years. The guy wouldn't budge off of $3000. HA! Good luck. There were a few other 390's around on Craigslist, but not inspiring cause we still need all the stuff to fit the engine in the car. Then Dan found a 67 Ranchero at a junkyard and bought the whole car. Was an H code car. 390, C-6 and 9" rear with 3.25 gears. Also a nice bonus is the Ranchero has power steering---which Dan's Comet did not have. The shameful thing is the Ranchero is actually restorable, but it would take a lot of work.






    We put the Ranchero on the lift at the transmission shop and pulled the pan on the trans. Strawberry milkshake. Got some water out of it. Then pulled the drain plug on the engine and looked like coffee with a lot of creamer. Water in there too. I pulled out the trans and as I was taking out the convertor nuts I couldn't turn the engine over by hand. I hooked up a jump pack to the starter an was able to bump it over---which was a good sign. I had already removed the exhaust and as I bumped over the engine water shot out of the drivers side exhaust manifold----not so good. We removed everything else off the engine to get it ready to lift out. It was getting late by that time so we decided to continue the next day.
       
    Come Friday, I was able to find some time between transmission jobs to get the engine hoist running and moved over. We put a chain on the engine and got lined up. You might be thinking, what kind of engine hoist needs to get running? Well, this one has two engines. An upper and a lower. I finally found a good purpose for my Grove TM155 truck crane. We parked the crane outside and telescoped the boom right into the bay, over the car and lined up with the engine. The 18 ton capacity crane had no problems lifting the FE---even with the cast iron intake in place.










   We pulled apart the 390 to find that it was already bored 60 over. That wasn't so bad as it didn't look like there were many miles on the rebuild as there was no ridge on top. Perhaps we could just hone and deck the block. As we got further taking the engine apart I found cylinder 8 has either a really heavy rust streak or a crack. Well, sure enough, it was a crack. Water got between the piston and cylinder wall and just pressed it in until the wall cracked. Not a big deal, but now we needed another block. Besides I wasn't sure if the 60 over block would have been sturdy enough for the stroker kit. And, if the 60 overbore was machined properly to begin with.




    Today we found another block, drove 2 1/2 hours to pick it up. The heads were off and the seller gave me a dial caliper to measure the bore which came out right near 4.05 and there were no signs of rust. So far, it looks pretty good---we'll find out for sure when it comes apart.

   

    More to come...
« Last Edit: April 19, 2013, 08:00:08 PM by FirstEliminator »
Mark
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70 Cougar XR-7 460 C-6
70 Cougar XR-7 conv 351c 4v FMX
69 Cougar SS 351w AOD
69 Cougar Sunroof Eliminator 351w FMX
69 Cougar XR-7 390 C-6
68 Monterey 390 C-6
68 Monterey conv 390 C-6
64 Montclair Marauder 390 Merc-O
58 Monterey 383 Merc-O
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
68 Colony Park 428 C-6
68 Colony Park 390 C-6
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
70 Cougar Eliminator 351c 4 speed
I don't feel like a hoarder.

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2012, 09:08:10 AM »
That is the GREATEST engine hoist I have ever seen! :)  Got any pictures of the Comet?  I've got a soft spot in my heart for '66 Cyclones...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 09:25:41 AM »
    Hey Jay,
     I don't have any pics of his car and it is in storage for the winter. Maybe we will stop by the storage place and snap a few pics today.



   
« Last Edit: April 19, 2013, 07:58:51 PM by FirstEliminator »
Mark
Berkshire Transmissions
North Adams, Massachusetts

70 Cougar XR-7 460 C-6
70 Cougar XR-7 conv 351c 4v FMX
69 Cougar SS 351w AOD
69 Cougar Sunroof Eliminator 351w FMX
69 Cougar XR-7 390 C-6
68 Monterey 390 C-6
68 Monterey conv 390 C-6
64 Montclair Marauder 390 Merc-O
58 Monterey 383 Merc-O
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
68 Colony Park 428 C-6
68 Colony Park 390 C-6
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
70 Cougar Eliminator 351c 4 speed
I don't feel like a hoarder.

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 09:32:45 AM »
Yeah, that looks like a US Army tank engine puller..that or a D-9 Cat tractor engine puller!
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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 11:05:06 AM »
    The Crane is 1970 Grove 6x6 with a DT466 lower engine and a Ford 300 upper.
 It can lift an engine about 96 feet out of the car.
   
Here is the whole crane:

   



   Today we are going to take apart the 2nd 390 that we got in Connecticut yesterday.
Mark
Berkshire Transmissions
North Adams, Massachusetts

70 Cougar XR-7 460 C-6
70 Cougar XR-7 conv 351c 4v FMX
69 Cougar SS 351w AOD
69 Cougar Sunroof Eliminator 351w FMX
69 Cougar XR-7 390 C-6
68 Monterey 390 C-6
68 Monterey conv 390 C-6
64 Montclair Marauder 390 Merc-O
58 Monterey 383 Merc-O
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
68 Colony Park 428 C-6
68 Colony Park 390 C-6
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
70 Cougar Eliminator 351c 4 speed
I don't feel like a hoarder.

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 11:43:44 PM »
Grove that's where I work small world. Do you live close to the carlise grounds. Im just about an hour south right on the MD. PA. line.

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 10:41:50 PM »
   No, I live in North Adams, Massachusetts----about 6 1/2 hours from Carlisle.

    You work at Grove? I need a skylight for the crane cab. The Grove local parts dealer said it's 2200 for the frame. 250 for the glass and another 250 for the weatherstrip. I mentioned to the parts guy "it sounds like Grove doesn't really want to make this thing, but if I persist, they will make it worth it for themselves". The parts guy said "yeah, that is what we we thinking".
  I was thinking of just fabbing together something.

      Would you happen to be able to dig up a blueprint of that part ?

  thanks,
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Mark
Berkshire Transmissions
North Adams, Massachusetts

70 Cougar XR-7 460 C-6
70 Cougar XR-7 conv 351c 4v FMX
69 Cougar SS 351w AOD
69 Cougar Sunroof Eliminator 351w FMX
69 Cougar XR-7 390 C-6
68 Monterey 390 C-6
68 Monterey conv 390 C-6
64 Montclair Marauder 390 Merc-O
58 Monterey 383 Merc-O
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
68 Colony Park 428 C-6
68 Colony Park 390 C-6
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
70 Cougar Eliminator 351c 4 speed
I don't feel like a hoarder.

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2012, 07:46:03 AM »
Hey guys,

     Dan Just took his Comet out of storage this week. Here are some pictures:







    The 289 runs pretty good but is a real mosquito killer. Hopefully there is enough time before Carlisle to get the 445 together.
Mark
Berkshire Transmissions
North Adams, Massachusetts

70 Cougar XR-7 460 C-6
70 Cougar XR-7 conv 351c 4v FMX
69 Cougar SS 351w AOD
69 Cougar Sunroof Eliminator 351w FMX
69 Cougar XR-7 390 C-6
68 Monterey 390 C-6
68 Monterey conv 390 C-6
64 Montclair Marauder 390 Merc-O
58 Monterey 383 Merc-O
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
68 Colony Park 428 C-6
68 Colony Park 390 C-6
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
70 Cougar Eliminator 351c 4 speed
I don't feel like a hoarder.

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 10:28:22 AM »
Very nice and good pics as well! Years ago, when I was looking for a car to hot rod, I actually came across a gennie SBF '67 Comet that some old gal was driving. I followed her for quite some time (don't think she knew it) but between stop lights, heavy urban cross traffic and stop signs, I lost the car  :'( I'd have made her a sweet offer if I only could have pulled her over. 
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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 01:18:37 PM »
Really, really nice looking car!  Gotta love the old Mercs...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2012, 02:51:08 AM »
Very Nice!
Should be an easy swap with the doner. The drive shaft may not be very sound. They are two piece with rubber
and get very rusty inside. Better plan on a shaft that is up to the 500 ft/lbs the stroker will be putting out.
I'd keep the manual steering. Much cleaner and feels better at speed. It's not a big deal. I have driven a manual 390 Fairlane for years.
If you park at the shopping mall it might be an issue, but I dought that Merc sees many Walmart
parking lots.

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2012, 10:24:13 PM »
    Dan wants the power steering. The car was originally listed as having power steering. He bought it from across the country and of course when is showed up it was manual steering. The guy sent parts from a 62 Monterey---guess what---none of it fits----just like we told them it wasn't going to fit. Anyway, Dan is on a mission for power steering. So, it is on the list.

    The other night I was assembling the short block. I have one of those crappy wound sheet metal ring compressors. I ended up breaking a ring on the 2nd piston. Then I broke another ring  while clamping the compressor around it. I kinda gave up for the night. The next day I ordered a solid one-size-only-fits-that-one-size ring compressor for a 4.080 bore. Should be here tomorrow.

    Lots of problems with assembly on this car. I put together a 9" rear with 3.25 gears and a Tru-Trac.  I am bothered to hell because the damn gear whines. This isn't my first time setting up gears. I worked at a Lincoln-Mercury and Jeep dealer then a Ford dealer. I was the transmission and axle guy.  Both the back lash variation and ring gear run out were beyond what the service manual recommends. So, I have another gear set on the way. I hate doing things several times because of defective parts. Could have built 4 carriers in the time I fooled around with this one.
    The simple solution was to put in my old 3.00 open for the trip to Carlisle. It will be o-k for the old 289.


    Mark
Mark
Berkshire Transmissions
North Adams, Massachusetts

70 Cougar XR-7 460 C-6
70 Cougar XR-7 conv 351c 4v FMX
69 Cougar SS 351w AOD
69 Cougar Sunroof Eliminator 351w FMX
69 Cougar XR-7 390 C-6
68 Monterey 390 C-6
68 Monterey conv 390 C-6
64 Montclair Marauder 390 Merc-O
58 Monterey 383 Merc-O
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
68 Colony Park 428 C-6
68 Colony Park 390 C-6
58 Parklane 430 MultiDrive
70 Cougar Eliminator 351c 4 speed
I don't feel like a hoarder.

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Re: 390 for Dan the Electrician
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 01:30:48 AM »
sorry it took so long to get back with you. Havn't been on the site for awhile. As far as prints I can try But can't say for sure that they would give them up. Not sure if i can technically give that info out if I could get it with out losing my job.  Get me the model and serial number. Won't hurt to ask. 

p.s. did you cantact crane care.