CRAZY 360 Backyard Build~

[Ford428CJ]

Been thinking about another CRAZY backyard build here.... How about a 360 this time! Might be a good winter project for me. About the 400HP range.....

  Somewhat on the cheap. Iron headed (ported out with CJ valves), 282S cam I have in my junk pile. Comp Roller Rockers with FPP end supports. Speed Pro H994P Hyper Pistons (the old 361FE Pistons). Milodon Gear Drive.  Molnar Technology Rods (I hope). Steel shim head gaskets. Windage tray. Jays intake adapter with the 351C Torquer intake, Topped with a Holley 800cfm VS annular boosters....

 Deck the block and balanced to rotating Assembly. Should turn about (hoping for a little less rpm) 6,200-6,400 RPMs. Good stout build!

[My427stang]

Wes, is that old EE-390 cam out of my 427 still kicking around?  That'd be a blast in a 360-ish cid engine with enough compression.

[jayb]

Sounds good, Wes, but a gear drive?  I'd run a timing chain, and save that gear drive for a stronger engine.  Or, do you just want to make some noise? 

[Ford428CJ]

Wes, is that old EE-390 cam out of my 427 still kicking around?  That'd be a blast in a 360-ish cid engine with enough compression.

It was Ross. Bad thing was... Times where tight and sold it for what you sold it to me for. Long story short.... Shipping lost it! I was out the money and the ole cam/lifters now! Truly sucks! Oh well... Wish I never got rid of it.

[Ford428CJ]

Sounds good, Wes, but a gear drive?  I'd run a timing chain, and save that gear drive for a stronger engine.  Or, do you just want to make some noise? 

 Well.... You know me Jay.... I use what I have around the shop. I love those old Milodon gear drives! I do have a chain set up from Summit Racing.... But you know. LOL I can always swap out later. If need to be. I like the  subtle noise.

[FElony]

Sounds cool, but does that power level really necessitate aftermarket rods? I would check over some stock 6.54's. With those, the 994's would be at zero deck on an uncut block, and you could just use regular .042" head gaskets.

Seems like all the talk about building a street-strip short stroke amounts to that, just talk. Would be nice to see somebody step up and do something unique for a change.

[Ford428CJ]

FElony, with the RPM's that I'm gonna turn with this thing.  I'm a little leery/concerned with those long skinny rods.

 No talk here... I am doing it! Might take a little bit of time and money at my end. I got that Crank from Brent and he is shipping it out to me. I also might be  inquiring  a set of 406 heads that are done up. With CJ valves in them. So we will see.

[57 lima bean]

Had always heard that a cast cam and a geardrive is something you wanted to stay away from.Any truth to that?

[Ford428CJ]

Remember... Milodon has a"Fixed" idler and not a floating idler. I run one in my 390 boat and no issues with it.

[Ford428CJ]

Here is a short video of it.

http://youtu.be/SOGO31rKhCY

[Ford428CJ]

Little Update on the CRAZY 360 backyard build.

Got a 352 crank coming! The rod journals are turned down to a 2.20". So I'll be able to use a long Chevy Rod. Like a 6.7 or 6.8 rod in it. Thanks to Ross Bullock for turning me on to it and Brent Lykins for selling it to me.

 Still pondering doing a set of 340 Dodge Pistons. Wrist pins are a .984 and would need a .990. So just .006" bigger in diameter. And maybe trim a little off the top of the piston.... Or do a set of customs. Not sure as of yet!

Also thanks to Charlie Radford! He is digging up some copper gaskets he has around his shop. Also a set of 406 heads that are done up! We'll take a look and see. Ported and polished with CJ valves stuff in them....

 So stay tuned here and I hope to have a solid game plan on this little mean 360. It will be a shocker I hope...

Forgot to add... A Comp Cams 282S with shell lifters, Milodon Gear drive, FPP end supports with Comp Cam roller rockers, Jays intake adapter with a Torquer intake and 800CFM Vs annular boosters.

[FElony]

Personally, I'd just like to see someone do a "street-strip" or mild bracket 352/360 on the cheap. I have never actually seen or heard of the skinny rods breaking, just a lot of conjecture and paranoia. I thought Brent was going to do something with that 352, but it got wacky in a hurry and disappeared down a rabbit hole. There was somebody else here a few months ago that was going to do a 361 piston build, and that probably fizzled, too.

6200 is no big deal. I've run 390's and 428's with stock original bottom ends there and past with zero issues. I've run 289/302's beyond 8 grand with same lower ends. All cast pistons. Wes, if you are going to spend money to trick the crank and rods, and use a Cleve intake, up the cam and shoot for 7500 rpm.

Grassroots. Making more from less. No wonder I feel like a pariah. I just ain't hip no more.

[Ford428CJ]

Bill who use to race 352's had his fair share of broken 352/360 rods. And the crank from Brent was a good deal. So no complaints from me. And a new set of rods are cheap! I won't have to worry about it now. I think that cam and the rest of the set up will spin closer to 6400rpms.

The crank is already done up for the BBC rods....

[blykins]

I simply didn't have the time to do what I was wanting to do.   Wes thinks his is crazy, but this one had a fully enclosed cam tunnel with internal braided drain hoses, bronze lifter bore bushings, 7.100" BBC rods, BBM heads, and a solid roller that was somewhere in the 260's/270's at .050".

I couldn't find anyone around that could bore the cam tunnel for me.  It needed about .015" taken out of it to size it properly and no one around here could do it and keep it straight and true.

The block is done and ready to assemble.  I offered it to Wes if he wants it.  I'll just knock the cam tunnel out of it and put regular bearings in it. 

Been getting busier and busier around here and unfortunately, the customers come first....hahaha

[Ford428CJ]

Brent, Crazy is one thing but your build was NUTZ!!! I can't afford all that cool stuff. I wish... I think it will be a fun build. No doubt.

[Nightmist66]

Had always heard that a cast cam and a geardrive is something you wanted to stay away from.Any truth to that?

We have never had a problem with the Pete Jackson setup in any of our motors. Always run hard on street and track. Just my two pennies worth......

[mbrunson427]

I've had a similar thought going through my head as this and Brent's build.......only with some changes.

~Run a standard 390 block, 4.06 bore or so.
~361T steel crank, offset ground to hopefully a 3.3" stroke (I'm not sure how much those cranks can take).
~Combination would be somewhere between 340 and 350 cubes
~Long rods, 6.8" or even 7.1" if the pistons aren't crazy
~Proport Edelbrock heads, ported with very small ports
~Not sure what intake, fuel injection though
~Turbo

The goal would be to make a 500 horse gas sipper motor that could go in my Galaxie for road trip use, and maybe even the power tour? The gas mileage would be the most paramount design consideration, power output would be secondary.

I like seeing this small displacement stuff, it keeps my mind churning.

[blykins]

That's the thing....

It's either going to be a high strung engine with no power down low, or you'd have to accentuate it with forced induction to give it some bottom end. 

That's another reason I put mine on the back burner:  once it's done, it's not really valuable to any certain individual, unless an EMC entry comes open that it would apply for.  The main reason I started it was to experiment....and of course trying to make big hp with little displacement helps you learn things.

[BigBlueIron]

Being a poor farm boy I would like to see the effects of of the aforementioned piston used as is, with stock 360 crank and rods for practical pickup truck use. Not my build or money and I still very much enjoy the idea! Just would like to see the difference for my own curiosity, an apples to apples test. Nothing changed except for the piston. Maybe I will have the need to freshen a 360 one of these days and when that happens I will be looking again at these pistons.

The build I believe has already strayed into custom, although still budget minded but who happens to have a 360 crank laying around cut for bbc rods?

Just thinking out loud pay no attention to me lol

[FElony]

That's the thing....

It's either going to be a high strung engine with no power down low, or you'd have to accentuate it with forced induction to give it some bottom end.

Uh, so no 347's or 351's have power down low? All high strung engines that never put out enough to necessitate traction mods? Really?

Which brings me too... Is there a target recipient for this CRAZY build? Weight, gears, trans?

[blykins]

"No power down low" is a relative phrase.

A souped up 352 is going to do good to make 475-500 hp and it will take a lot of rpms to do it.  Anytime you stretch the rpms out, you move the curve to the right, taking away from the bottom end power.  We are used to 390's/427's/428's/445's with broad horsepower and torque curves.  Ain't gonna happen with a high strung 352/360.

Trust me, I'm a small engine kinda guy....I like the 289's, Boss 302's, etc.  However, it takes a lot more effort to make horsepower with them and it takes some chassis/trans/rearend mods to make them work efficiently.

[FElony]

The build I believe has already strayed into custom,

No kidding. Let's build the 352 that should have been in the 1966 Falcon Sprint to do battle against the 350-horse TurboFire 327 Nova, had Ford clue one. Alloy intake from same year 428PI. -AA solid cam. C0-D small chamber heads. 10.5 compression, CJ valve sizes, open element air cleaner, Holley and well-curved dual point.

Easy? Sure. May have to run tubular shorties or something because of the heads. Factory 6V or 8V? Maybe. Fun? What do you think...

[FElony]

"No power down low" is a relative phrase.

A souped up 352 is going to do good to make 475-500 hp and it will take a lot of rpms to do it.  Anytime you stretch the rpms out, you move the curve to the right, taking away from the bottom end power.  We are used to 390's/427's/428's/445's with broad horsepower and torque curves.  Ain't gonna happen with a high strung 352/360.

Trust me, I'm a small engine kinda guy....I like the 289's, Boss 302's, etc.  However, it takes a lot more effort to make horsepower with them and it takes some chassis/trans/rearend mods to make them work efficiently.

Argh. Why 475-500 horsepower? How about 400? Again, if you can build mid-range into a 351, why not a 352? Cap it at 6 grand and have something you can actually drive around.

[blykins]

Well, I guess in my mind, if I'm going to the trouble of building a 352, I want it to be slightly impressive.  If I wanted to have 400 hp and 6000 rpm, I'd probably just reach for a 390.

[Joe-JDC]

Talk if cheap.  I have a 91 LX coupe with 306 cubic inches, stock non ported heads, non ported Cobra intake, 24# injectors, F-303 camshaft and shorty headers that puts 293 hp to the rear wheels.  If you can do that with a small engine that only has heads that flow 169 cfm max, then it should be easy to build a 352 +.030 = 357 FE that has some GRUNT.  The LX will break the tires loose in just about any driving situation on the street.  So just how much do you need for street duty?  Build the 352 and lets compare.  I will build a 357 W on the cheap with "junk, used" parts and put it on the dyno for comparison.  You tell me what parts for the windsor, and I get to help with the parts choice for the 352 FE.  Joe-JDC

[FElony]

Well, I guess in my mind, if I'm going to the trouble of building a 352, I want it to be slightly impressive.  If I wanted to have 400 hp and 6000 rpm, I'd probably just reach for a 390.

But 390's have been done already. 400 hp is slightly more than a stock 428CJ. Do you realize how many 360's are languishing out there? I have three by accident. If somebody produced the right piston, and an example of a decent build was on vid, the door would open to an untapped segment of the hobby.

See the part list on the theoretical Falcon motor above. What hp do you that would make?

[FElony]

Talk if cheap.  I have a 91 LX coupe with 306 cubic inches, stock non ported heads, non ported Cobra intake, 24# injectors, F-303 camshaft and shorty headers that puts 293 hp to the rear wheels.  If you can do that with a small engine that only has heads that flow 169 cfm max, then it should be easy to build a 352 +.030 = 357 FE that has some GRUNT.  The LX will break the tires loose in just about any driving situation on the street.  So just how much do you need for street duty?  Build the 352 and lets compare.  I will build a 357 W on the cheap with "junk, used" parts and put it on the dyno for comparison.  You tell me what parts for the windsor, and I get to help with the parts choice for the 352 FE.  Joe-JDC

I hope you're talking to Brentley, 'cuz I'm not building anything this year. I have all the parts to build the Falcon engine I mentioned. I even have the '66 Falcon to put it into, an AZ car with no dings or rust. You guys first.

[blykins]

Who you calling out, Joe?  Not sure what your post meant.

FElony, the pistons are the easy part....

Wasn't there an HP 352 back in the day?  Shouldn't be hard to make 1-1.1 hp per cube with non oddball stuff.

[FElony]

FElony, the pistons are the easy part....

Wasn't there an HP 352 back in the day?  Shouldn't be hard to make 1-1.1 hp per cube with non oddball stuff.

Then make a run of proper deck height pistons and market them. The rest will follow.

The heads I mentioned before are from the HP352. Fish heads.

[Heo]

Who you calling out, Joe?  Not sure what your post meant.

FElony, the pistons are the easy part....

Wasn't there an HP 352 back in the day?  Shouldn't be hard to make 1-1.1 hp per cube with non oddball stuff.

I think there was a 360hp 352 in 1960 i believe so there you have it over 1 hp /cuin "stock"

[blykins]

I have had them made.  There are a couple sets floating around.

They are forged pistons, with modern ring pack dimensions.

[FElony]

I have had them made.  There are a couple sets floating around.

They are forged pistons, with modern ring pack dimensions.

Start with 250 sets of cast pistons with "typical" FE ring packs, keep them exclusive, and sell other stuff in behind them to your new customers. Trick forged later.

[blykins]

How many sets do *you* want?

I would never sell 250 sets....

[My427stang]

LOL, I wouldn't put 250 sets of 390 cast pistons on the shelf....never mind short stroke pistons

Looking forward to the short stroke rocker, I personally don't think it'll have a lot of torque, at least not in the levels most of us are used to nowadays, but 350 Chebbys don't either and they are fun.

Wes, get the compression up, run the cam straight up or on 108 and let it rev

[Joe-JDC]

Not calling out---well, maybe.  I just thought it might be interesting to see who could build a comparative engine on the cheap, and then dyno test them for comparison.  Cheap EMC challenge--- FE vs SBFW.  Joe-JDC

[blykins]

LOL....

Obviously you can get a few ponies out of a 352.  The HP engines weren't too shabby.  However, when I think of a competition of barnstormer engines, I don't think about who can get to 375 hp first....LOL

[FElony]

How many sets do *you* want?

I would never sell 250 sets....

That's because you actually have to spend time marketing. Get it, son? The money is in the stuff you sell it with. Get it yet? Do I need to explain that I was involved with a corporation that sold product globally at levels that absolutely dwarfs the whole FE hobby by an exponential factor?

BBM will have spent money engineering and producing the Tunnel Wedge intake. How many of those do you think they are going to move? Now, how much bigger is the market for the thousands of 360 engines that are still out there? When BBM sells an intake, they just sell the intake. When you are the only game for 352/360 slugs, you sell associated merchandise. It's so simple a 348 owner could understand.

[FElony]

LOL, I wouldn't put 250 sets of 390 cast pistons on the shelf....never mind short stroke pistons

That's because other people sell 390 pistons. Think for a bit.

[My427stang]

LOL, I wouldn't put 250 sets of 390 cast pistons on the shelf....never mind short stroke pistons

That's because other people sell 390 pistons. Think for a bit.

When I pause to think, I see a market that went away 40 years ago...I bet it'd be just as cheap to buy custom forged if someone wants it.

I agree it'd be nice to have them available for the small niche crowd building 3.5 stroke engines, but custom forged stuff is just so cheap and easy now, I don't think it'd be profitable

[Ford428CJ]

Ross.... Been thinking and heading in a slight different direction here. SOLID ROLLER! I got from Jim W years ago. About a 640lift on a 108. Duration at .050 is 258 & 264! Comp cam with Crower Roller lifters. Yes custom Pistons are gonna happen with a 1.5/ 1.5 / 3.0mm ring pack now. At least 11to1 CR. Depending if I end up with the 406 heads here. Mind you I got the cam for free because I help Jim  retrieve his stolen FE stuff. The Crower Roller lifters I got years ago and  traded some car work for. So I'm really in this for cheap still.....

 Now I'm  deciding on rods for this. Been thinking about Molnar 6.7 rods. Lighter then a lot of them out there. Not badly priced.

 Also, this engine will be going in my 64 Falcon.

[My427stang]

I have never seen a set of Molnars, but if the price is right, I say go for it. The piston should be light enough to not be too fussy regardless of which you choose. 

I'd say crank that cam forward to 102 ICL and run a flat top, my hunch is depending on the heads, you'd be at around 10.25 static and it'd be a rowdy little street machine in a light car with some gear.

Sounds fun!

[blykins]

They are lighter than the normal Scat/Eagle rod.



However, I don't know if I'd worry about 50-60g for $250. 

[bluef100fe]

Hey Wes,

I got a deal for you if you are not afraid of used rods? I have two broken sets of Eagle 6.8 H-Beam rods that are collecting dust here.  If you want I can pick out 8 or 10 and ship them out to you? Not free but damn cheap, lol.

Side note back when my 390 in my F100 ate a flat tappet cam, I had old scrappy laying in the corner resting peacefully. All stock 360 I had thrown rings and bearing in back in school. So I needed a engine to keep the truck running/racing and that was what I had to get me by for a while. So I took the heads/valve train off my 450 hp 390 and screwed them on the 360 along with a 428cj intake and slid a smallish solid flat tappet cam 230 @ 0.050/ 0.550ish lift/ 110 LCA I had on the shelf that came from a pulling truck in it and crossed my fingers. Pistons were 0.120 below deck so quench was non existent but the damn thing ran hard for what it was. Made quiet a few passes with my truck in the 14.0 area with it. Keep in mind the truck was only running very high 12's with the 390 before it ate the cam. Anyway I was pretty happy with the old 360 and I never did grenade it shifting at 6000 rpm, with the stock little rods and stock bolts. That engine was put through hell over the years I did retire it after that though as the blow by was getting ridiculously bad and it was starting to foul plugs. Anyway I always wondered what that combo would have done if built correctly and fresh. Anyway let me know on the rods.

[Ford428CJ]

Cody, I sent you a PM on Facebook. Whenever you have a min or 2 to spare!

[bluef100fe]

Back at ya Wes... Sent a few pics also..

[Ford428CJ]

Got them! They look great! Thanks Cody!!! Cheap build so far LOL

[Tommy-T]

Wow, Wes, I never thought this post would get the interest it has.

I've been an advocate for using the skinny 352/360 rod in odd-rodd builds for years. I haven't ever broken one...but I also have not used one in a "race" motor or a motor I intended to take to 6000K regularly. I am building a 428 that will be using the skinny 390 rod, casting # C1AE-B for my '65 Cyclone.

As for the 352/360 build, been there done that. I am no engine builder, but I was never able to get out of my head "I had a couple 390 cranks sitting there, what if"?

When I built the .040 428 I had in my '56 'Bird it had all the toys, Edelbrock heads, Engle solid cam, M/T cross ram, TRW slugs. The thing ran hot in LA stop 'n stop traffic and I tried numerous things to fix it for several years. One day I'd had enough.

I bought a set of .060 TRW forged 352 pistons off Ebay for cheap. Took a standard C1 390 block and had it honed .010...instant .060 352. The pistons were in the hole .040. Not ideal, but a lot better than a 360. Could have probably fixed it with an offset crank grind but didn't. Stock skinny C1AE-A rods with ARP bolts.

I put the Edelbrock heads and a Crower copy of the solid 427 "A" cam, and a Scotty Vincent ported Streetmaster with an 1850 vacuum Holley. Also a vacuum advance distributor with a Pertronix and MSD 6A.

The car runs fine. If you go to a car show that has a cruise line, it's 100+* outside and you sit still for 2 hours idling in gear, it does not care. Has plenty of power...but it will not break loose the 13x31 tires. Hooks 'n goes. I always thought I NEEDED to put a 445 in it...until I'd actually get in it and drive. But still, in the back of your head...what if??

Have fun with your exercise. I did with mine. It'll make plenty of power to run anything you want it to, but a 390 will kick its ass.

[Ford428CJ]

LOL, a 390 will kick its ass! No doubt.... Been thinking about 360 stuff since you where here last Tommy-T. When I was building the Boat engine. Always disregarded and a little easier to find than 390 stuff now. But I don't think this little 360 should be taken too lightly now. But than again, I could be totally wrong. I won't have much into it. That's the nice part about all of this. I learned some things from you Tommy-T.... Went to my junk pile to see what I could drum up.

Next time your looking for a 360 piston.... Check out the 361FE piston. They will come up zero deck on a stock deck height Tommy-T. They are a Hyper piston but fit the build for a street build!

[Ford428CJ]

I never thought it would get the interest myself

[FElony]

How hard is it to get custom length connecting rods in FE journal/pin size?

[TomP]

I have some pistons out of a 361 FT somewhere. They didn't strike me as being anything i'd ever want in a performance engine. Have to find them but as I recall, heavy, full skirt, big rings and maybe even four rings.

[blykins]

FElony, not hard at all.....any rod manufacturer will do it if you have a good contact.  However, it's the price that will kill you. 

[Ford428CJ]

I have some pistons out of a 361 FT somewhere. They didn't strike me as being anything i'd ever want in a performance engine. Have to find them but as I recall, heavy, full skirt, big rings and maybe even four rings.

Tom, not the same piston here. This is late 50's I'm talking about. A 361FE and not a FT! Big  difference here. The compression height is 1.88 on that 361FE piston.  Look under Speed Pro P/N H994P. And you will see what I'm talking about. Not  to be confused with the FT stuff.

[FElony]

FElony, not hard at all.....any rod manufacturer will do it if you have a good contact.  However, it's the price that will kill you.

Yeah, because it's SO expensive to make a rod a little longer in the middle (isn't this 2016 already?). Maybe get a price break on, oh, 250 sets or so.

[blykins]

I just can't see the justification in taking that kind of a leap.  I've been a member of the other FE forum since about 2006.  In the last 10 years, the number of guys that have talked about building a 352/360 could probably be counted on one hand....two of them were me and Wes....hahaha

Unless you're doing a resto or something CRAZY then it's just too stupid easy to snag a 390 crank for $75, a set of 390 rods for another $75 and buy a set of Speedpros for $250. 

[FElony]

I just can't see the justification in taking that kind of a leap.  I've been a member of the other FE forum since about 2006.  In the last 10 years, the number of guys that have talked about building a 352/360 could probably be counted on one hand....two of them were me and Wes....hahaha

Unless you're doing a resto or something CRAZY then it's just too stupid easy to snag a 390 crank for $75, a set of 390 rods for another $75 and buy a set of Speedpros for $250.

But then you've done what everybody else has done. Bo. Ring. Call me silly (call me anything you want; the more despicable it is, the more apt I am to answer to it), but the idea of telling an LS jockey he just got stuffed by a 360 out of a pickemup truck makes me all giggly and drooly. A pathetic visual, for sure, but I can't help it.

The cost will kill me, you say? Vague, for sure. Narrow it down?

[Ford428CJ]

When I got home today...  I had a big old box waiting on the porch for me.  Thank you Brent!!! Very nice looking crank and pleased with it! I will post pictures of it tomorrow for sure. This is gonna be a kick in the pants!

Not sure on what it cost to have a crank turned like that but I'm sure it's not cheap by any means. I can't see buying up 250 sets of Pistons for others to do. Maybe I'm wrong here. But small stroke stuff are the yesterday's for sure. I would be shocked if that many people would build something like that... But me... I like to be a little different than the rest of the FE guys. Not that you don't know that already LOL

[Ford428CJ]

Here you go!

[Ford428CJ]

Milodon Gear drive came in Thursday for my future build here. I had to snag this!
Thank you Jim Voyles for selling me this!!! It will be put to good use.

[Ford428CJ]

Well, I've had this cam for a # of years now. I got it from a buddy of mine. Jim Wiltrout . He had his FE stuff and other things stollen. Long story short, made a few phone calls. He was lucky and got his stuff back. So in a nice gesture, he sent me a cam that he wasn't going to use. Since then I lost the stupid cam card.
You run the P/N and it comes up as a BBC 396 cam for a Marine App. But it's on a FE Cam shaft here. It's a old grind they don't list anymore but it's a good one! Talked with Comp on Friday about it. So here are the spec:

Lift with 1.76 In 660 & Ex 646
Lobe Sep 108°
Intake centerline 108°
Duration at .050 In .254 & Ex .264
Advertised duration In 285 & Ex 295

[Ford428CJ]

I just picked up the Heads and Valve covers for this build. Thanks to Charlie Radford for selling me the goods!

Plans for the heads. Get them cleaned up and sent off to Bruce Faulkner to be worked over some. Address a few little minor issues with the heads for this build. Things are coming along just nicely. Man... Really hoping to rock the crap out of this 360 build up! I'm getting EXCITED

[Ford428CJ]

More pics here

[cammerfe]

I couldn't find anyone around that could bore the cam tunnel for me.  It needed about .015" taken out of it to size it properly and no one around here could do it and keep it straight and true.

The Roush operation in Livonia has a boring mill that'll make short work of your cam tunnel.

KS

[Ford428CJ]

[Ford428CJ]

[Ford428CJ]

CRAZY 360 Update
I got my cam back from Comp. They spec it out for me since they didn't have any records on the cam. They did it for free. I had to pay shipping there and back. Which is just fine with me. I still think this thing is gonna make some power!
Next, The heads are going out to Bruce Faulkner to work his magic on them.... Can you say... MONEY!? LOL

[Ford428CJ]

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[Ford428CJ]

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[cammerfe]

I simply didn't have the time to do what I was wanting to do.   Wes thinks his is crazy, but this one had a fully enclosed cam tunnel with internal braided drain hoses, bronze lifter bore bushings, 7.100" BBC rods, BBM heads, and a solid roller that was somewhere in the 260's/270's at .050".

I couldn't find anyone around that could bore the cam tunnel for me.  It needed about .015" taken out of it to size it properly and no one around here could do it and keep it straight and true.

The block is done and ready to assemble.  I offered it to Wes if he wants it.  I'll just knock the cam tunnel out of it and put regular bearings in it. 


Jack Roush has a boring mill at his Prototype Shop in Livonia that'll do that cam tunnel without breaking a sweat.

KS
Been getting busier and busier around here and unfortunately, the customers come first....hahaha

[Tommy-T]

Wow, Wes!

That's a pretty big cam for a little motor!

Whats the recipe for getting an FE to go to 6500 reliably and repeatedly with a hydraulic roller?

So you are going with a custom rod and piston? Was looking to see if the C7TE rod was going to be used/abused. Perhaps a Chevy rod journal on a stock 352/360 crank?

Getting expensive.

Best wishes for output as expected.

[mbrunson427]

Wes, what compression ratio are you looking for with this? Anything above 12:1 and I think your piston is going to be the tricky part, probably have a pretty good dome to it.

[Ford428CJ]

Wow, Wes!

That's a pretty big cam for a little motor!

Whats the recipe for getting an FE to go to 6500 reliably and repeatedly with a hydraulic roller?

So you are going with a custom rod and piston? Was looking to see if the C7TE rod was going to be used/abused. Perhaps a Chevy rod journal on a stock 352/360 crank?

Getting expensive.

Best wishes for output as expected.

I'll post pics here Tommy T. By the way... it's a solid roller cam. Way too aggressive for a hydraulic roller. The rods that I got or Eagles with ARP 2000 bolts  and 6.8 inches in length. if you go back a couple pages and look at my pics I got the crank from Brent and the rod journals or Wieden and narrowed to a 2.2. Cody gave me a smoking deal on the rods.so custom Pistons will have to be made. And Brandt gave me a smoking deal on the crank. So I'm into this for really cheap. So my 7200 RPMs is gonna happen LOL

[Ford428CJ]

Wes, what compression ratio are you looking for with this? Anything above 12:1 and I think your piston is going to be the tricky part, probably have a pretty good dome to it.

No domes! really easy to get over 12 to 1 with those small combustion chambers. My goal is about 11 1/2 to 1. So the Pistons might have a small dish

[FElony]

Oh sure, but when *I* say "hey guys, let's rock a 360 so it can have some respect, too", the forum members stake me nekkid to a red ant hill and make me repeat, "I'm just a joker if I ain't got stroker."  May Allah turn your sacs to Jello. Infidels.

[Ford428CJ]

Oh sure, but when *I* say "hey guys, let's rock a 360 so it can have some respect, too", the forum members stake me nekkid to a red ant hill and make me repeat, "I'm just a joker if I ain't got stroker."  May Allah turn your sacs to Jello. Infidels.

 You're not the only one who's been crucified !!! LOL  I have had my fair share .

[plovett]

The world needs more crazy people.  Otherwise we'd all be driving LS powered hotrods.    

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[Drew Pojedinec]

The world needs more crazy people.  Otherwise we'd all be driving LS powered hotrods.    

Oops, double post.   

It was worth saying twice.