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Member Projects / Re: 519" SOHC Build
« on: April 16, 2012, 05:12:49 AM »
Jay, awesome motor and glad to see the results from intake port length changes.

Not sure how easy it would be to measure on the motor, but could you do some before and after calcs based on the old Ramcharger's wave tuning math?

L = 80500 / N            
            
L = duct length (inches) from Plenum ( the first reflection point) to the back of the intake valve.            
N = Engine RPM for maximum tuning effect

Solve for N before and after and see which one was closer to where you made power?  Needless to say the shorter stacks did well so it should be closer, but it would be interesting to see what the numbers came out to be.  For an IR manifold L should be from the valve to the end of the stack

L for the two different ram tube lengths is 15.75 and 17.75.  Based on the formula the engine should tune at 5100 RPM for the short tubes and 4500 RPM for the long tubes.  Not to close to what really happened, BUT it is very interesting that the difference between the projected speeds is 600 RPM, and that is the amount of the shift I saw in the torque peak.

I have a program called Pipemax that calculates this kind of stuff, and it has also not proven perfectly accurate for these kinds of calculations, but it does seem to be pretty good at predicting a delta in the peaks.  Pipemax told me that a 2" tube length change would give a 600 RPM increase in the peak torque RPM, and that's what happened.

Neat stuff Jay, I am familiar with Larry Meaux's Pipemax, although I haven't built anything since I bought it.   :-[  USAF keeps getting in the way lately.   

1 more year until they send me off to finishing school yet again LOL, 2 years until retirement eligible, either will give me time to play more

I wonder if there is a second harmonic coming into play with the long runners?   

Another question, do you run any line damper on the EFI?  I don't have a way to log it on my car, some claim there is power to be had in an inline fuel pressure damper, on a dyno it could be seen with wiggle type gauge. 

The larger the injectors, the more it can affect other injectors.  I run one one in addition to the regulator, and considered running one on each rail.  Before and after it did seem a bit smoother, but it could have been my wallet talking

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Member Projects / Re: 519" SOHC Build
« on: April 15, 2012, 08:42:01 PM »
Jay, awesome motor and glad to see the results from intake port length changes.

Not sure how easy it would be to measure on the motor, but could you do some before and after calcs based on the old Ramcharger's wave tuning math?

L = 80500 / N            
            
L = duct length (inches) from Plenum ( the first reflection point) to the back of the intake valve.            
N = Engine RPM for maximum tuning effect

Solve for N before and after and see which one was closer to where you made power?  Needless to say the shorter stacks did well so it should be closer, but it would be interesting to see what the numbers came out to be.  For an IR manifold L should be from the valve to the end of the stack      

      

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Member Projects / Re: 545" High Riser Build
« on: March 10, 2012, 11:01:02 AM »
Beautiful work Jay.  I loved the cammer builds as much as the next guy, but this wedge is awesome.  Can't wait to see the results

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FE Technical Forum / Re: solid lift street cam reliability questions
« on: February 11, 2012, 03:32:26 PM »
I personally wouldn't run any more than a 294S with only 418 cid and 10:1, and even that is a bit less compression than I'd like to see.  FWIW I run just a bit less cam with 10.7:1 compression and it'll run on anything.

You can even go less cam than that, but as you noted,  I don't think you'd get the top end charge you'll want to see.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: solid lift street cam reliability questions
« on: February 11, 2012, 01:20:01 PM »
How is the rest of the motor and car setup?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: solid lift street cam reliability questions
« on: February 11, 2012, 09:40:07 AM »
Not Jay but a SFT can be absolutely reliable.

I ran a 300 adv/ 250 @ .050 Isky in my 427 for years and the current Erson has been in since 2006, driven everywhere

Even with standard lifters, make sure nothing hits, run good oil, and keep idle up high enough to throw some oil to the lobes.  All those things should be even easier with the Schubeks

As far as 294 vs 306, I ran a 306 in a 462 Rat Chevy and although it made a ton of power up top, I think it was a little too much cam for the street.  The FE isnt a direct comparison to a big headed Rat, but unless you are running a bunch of compression, I'd lean toward the 294

A quick WAG - The 306 would probably need 11.7:1 compression or more, the 294 would be happy around 11:1

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Moment of Inertia Calculations
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:11:58 AM »
Thanks Jay, if the engineers can't do the math, I'll just say its FM LOL

As far as the sustaining cruise RPM, I assume you have seen those 1-lunger farm motors.  They run a heavy flywheel to store energy and the engine fires to keep it going.

If thats one far limit of a heavy wheel and the other limit would be no flywheel at all, I am looking it it as at low/steady RPM the heavy wheel would be more efficient at a steady cruise, especially at the bottom end of the torque curve.  Essentially behaving the same as the small motor/hard launch mentioned above but with constant speed.

There is no doubt the motor could compensate with a little throttle, but my thought is that it would be happier with the big wheel.

The question of course is, how much happier at cruise compared to how much happier during acceleration? 

I still go back to Steve Engberg and his expertise on the the Mach, but a sample size of one guy who didn't like the alum wheel vs one who did doesn't get us very far either

Thanks for taking the time to work the math, its interesting if nothing else

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Moment of Inertia Calculations
« on: February 05, 2012, 11:05:54 AM »
Good stuff Jay

First, let me ask you to break the calculator back out, as an MBA and Strategic Intelligence grad, I'll have to lean on you to tell me how to mathematically get to the answer to my question :)

So, if you look at what you calculated, could you back it into a "resistance to change" calculation?

What I am trying to say is if you had a an engine at 450 ft lb at a steady 2000 RPM with one flywheel, is there enough information to calculate how much difference in torque the motor would have to provide to keep one or the other flywheel at 2000 rpm with an increase in load? 

I assume there would be time and load variables in there too, because once the inertia is "eaten up" the motor would have to work harder to keep the wheel spinning.

Thanks

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FE Technical Forum / Re: FE builder
« on: January 30, 2012, 09:20:09 PM »
Gessford is pretty good, there is a guy off L in Omaha, I forget his name, nice guy, nearly blind.  I bet he was great at one time, can't really read a mic anymore.

If you are closer to Plattsmouth, I know a couple guys down there that do good work in the machine shop, but maybe not the best at picking parts with today's stuff, but I am pretty comfortable with them hitting the mark I want

Where are you from?

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Paint Conundrum
« on: January 22, 2012, 08:05:11 AM »
Jay, be sure to spray any metallic paint at the pressure and viscosity identified by the manufacturer and probably the MOST important thing is make sure the paint is mixed well in the can.  You wouldn't believe how much a well-shaken can "changed colors" on me when I was a kid and "knew better than my dad"  It didn't take long for me to learn that the metallics needed to be carefully mixed

I used to do a lot of insurance work and spraying silvers and other mostly metallic paints can look very different with just a pressure or tip change on the gun, not as critical for a complete, but when blending a panel you want it as close as it can be.  Silvers can get much more "silver" and these light blues and light greens act very much like silver as well.

Light blues also tend to be a little transparent as others have noted, but certainly the difference between your car and the striped stocker are more than just primer and pressure.  I would be amazed if your car darkened to match the stick though just with a few more coats.  My guess is your car was a bench mix, or some other factory color from a different vehicle make or model.

Also, I have found those spectrometers to be very very close if the guy is good at using them. Not sure what happened for yours.

If you really want to shoot the car in the color you want, maybe you should prep some test panels, (tape an old door or hood into 4 panels and buy 4 pints of colors you are on the fence with) clear the whole panel if you are using b/c then decide on a color


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Member Projects / Re: 64 Galaxie Project
« on: December 18, 2011, 11:46:51 AM »
Can't wait to hear that monster through the mufflers

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Member Projects / Re: 545" High Riser Build
« on: December 18, 2011, 11:42:34 AM »
Awesome Jay

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Good luck Jay, looks to be a good weather week for the midwest, so go get 'em.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Exhaust port mismatch?
« on: September 11, 2011, 09:18:05 PM »
Get to slotting those holes Kerry :) 

Failure to do so only delays it until later, after the first exhaust leak

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Can Radiator fluid be "saved"
« on: September 11, 2011, 09:17:03 PM »
There is one brand that doesn't like oxygen.  Dexcool, aka "Deathcool" can actually turn to sludge from oxygen exposure as minore as opening the cap to check it.

However, just use green or yellow antifreeze and you are fine.  Dexcool has no business in an early Ford or any non-recovery system.  You wouldnt believe the mess it makes..  You'd think your block was full of mud


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